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This is a little note that Honda has about the use of the idle stop system:

" In certain traffic conditions, the idle-stop function may not be desirable. So the driver has the opportunity to easily switch off the system with a button located at the rear of the transmission’s shift-by-wire control unit."

In a short run, continuous stop and go traffic conditions the alternator may not be able to keep up with the battery charge, causing a condition where the engine does not restart. One reason not to use the system in the first place.
 
I have a 2017 Touring with about 36,000 miles on it and about 2.5 weeks ago the car died after it was on auto idle and when I took my foot off the break the car completely died I was stranded in the middle of the street. The tow truck was able to jump the car and I was able to drive it to the dealership. The dealership has had it since and haven't been able to repeat the problem. I want my car back but I want the issue to be fixed. Sounds like that might not happen. Where would I report this issue to? I am about ready to speak with the general manager of the dealership since the car is still under warranty and I had terrible service when I called to discuss the issue. I love my pilot and didn't have any other issues until now. Any recommendations?
If your vehicle is equiped with auto start stop, my advice is to get in the habit of pressing the deactivate button every time to disable it. What happened to you was a computer glitch, you were ready to drive and it didn't recognize that. Ufortunately, there is no gauranteed fix that it won't happen again if this function is left on.
On our 2017, we had to learn to press and hold the start button for 1 second versus tapping it or it would cause a glitch and every warning light on the dash would come on.
 
We just get into our pilot and startup...first thing before putting in drive is to hit the switch to disable the idle stop system. Gets to be a habit, like putting it in gear.

And idle stop works without the starter motor...the engine is stopped with one cylinder at top dead center with fuel/air under compression. When foot off brake or steering wheel moved the computer fires that cylinder and then engine is running. Have you heard the difference between a cold start and an idle/stop start? Very noticable. But I still don't use it.
I'm pretty sure Mazda is the only company that had the auto stop/start like that. The Pilot uses the starter. That's why they put a bigger battery in the models that have that "feature".
 
My Pilot just did this. Please file a ticket with the NHTSA to force Honda to address this as they keep an eye on all of these and look for trends. This is simply unacceptable and they MUST provide a fully opt out for this feature.
 
Welcome and thanks for registering at piloteers.org. We are glad you have chosen to be part of the community and we hope you enjoy your stay.

Sorry you had a problem with the Auto Idle Stop system. There is a known solution to Auto Idle Stop which is to turn it off before putting the vehicle in gear. It is the owner/driver that chooses to use or not use the feature, as they do many things on the vehicle.

Please take a moment to look over the FAQ section. If you need assistance please use the “message” function to contact any staff member.

If you haven’t already, don’t forget to register at the Honda Owners web site. It is full of information you may find useful about your particular Honda vehicle(s).

Enjoy and all the best,


Daltongang
 
Welcome and thanks for registering at piloteers.org. We are glad you have chosen to be part of the community and we hope you enjoy your stay.

Sorry you had a problem with the Auto Idle Stop system. There is a known solution to Auto Idle Stop which is to turn it off before putting the vehicle in gear. It is the owner/driver that chooses to use or not use the feature, as they do many things on the vehicle.

Please take a moment to look over the FAQ section. If you need assistance please use the “message” function to contact any staff member.

If you haven’t already, don’t forget to register at the Honda Owners web site. It is full of information you may find useful about your particular Honda vehicle(s).

Enjoy and all the best,


Daltongang
That is not an acceptable solution to a critical safety issue. That's like saying that you need to press an extra button to start your car to ensure the seatbelt tighteners or airbags always work correctly in case of an accident. My car stopped itself at a stop light and couldn't restart for 2 minutes until it it finally rebooted the software; presumably it triggers some kind of reset after pressing the start button enough times without the car starting caused the restart. If Honda allowed it to be fully disabled or disabled per key, like the auto-lock feature things might be different..
 
That is the point, it can be fully disabled by pushing the button.

There are two issues with the auto idle stop system, not just one. The first issue is when the system does not operate as it should and fails to immediately restart the vehicle. That is an issue that absolutely needs to be looked into and the problem addressed, just as with any other system or part.

The second issue is turning the system off. It is simple to turn off the system. You push one button after starting the vehicle and it is off. It is no more difficult than turning on or off your headlights, your windshield wipers or the radio, none of which people have a problem with these days.

Auto manufacturers are global entities these days and it is not cost effective to build vehicles to individual countries or locations due to varying laws. There are many countries and locals where it is illegal to idle for varying amounts of time including several states in the US.

Me, I don't use it, nor do I live in a local where idling is an issue, so I just turn it off before shifting out of park and don't worry about it.
 
A car isn't a candy bar or power tool. It's a 2 ton vehicle that is built to different safety standards. The idea that anyone who drives the car should know to hit an extra button on startup to ensure their car doesn't stall when the hit the gas pedal is laughable. We know the car is unsafe, you've trained yourself to disable this feature on startup, that's not really debated, but the car makes us turn off an unsafe feature every time we start it. That's a safety issue in itself.

What if the transmission didn't downshift without the paddle shifters or being in lowgear mode? Would you advocate for Honda putting on their website that the workaround is to always use lowgear mode?
 
That is the point, it can be fully disabled by pushing the button.

There are two issues with the auto idle stop system, not just one. The first issue is when the system does not operate as it should and fails to immediately restart the vehicle. That is an issue that absolutely needs to be looked into and the problem addressed, just as with any other system or part.

The second issue is turning the system off. It is simple to turn off the system. You push one button after starting the vehicle and it is off. It is no more difficult than turning on or off your headlights, your windshield wipers or the radio, none of which people have a problem with these days.

Auto manufacturers are global entities these days and it is not cost effective to build vehicles to individual countries or locations due to varying laws. There are many countries and locals where it is illegal to idle for varying amounts of time including several states in the US.

Me, I don't use it, nor do I live in a local where idling is an issue, so I just turn it off before shifting out of park and don't worry about it.
Ok great, you don't use it. But if you did, you expect it to work. What if it didn't work the first time you forgot to hit the button and it left you stranded in the middle of the intersection with on coming traffic? That's terrifying. Failure is not an option.
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If I had idle stop start, I'd do this.
 
Ok great, you don't use it. But if you did, you expect it to work. What if it didn't work the first time you forgot to hit the button and it left you stranded in the middle of the intersection with on coming traffic? That's terrifying. Failure is not an option.
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If someone gets into the vehicle and forgets to put on their seat belt then is injured in an accident, do you blame the manufacturer of the vehicle?

That same photo you posted could just as easily be from forgetting to turn on headlights after dark and getting hit. It could be from a driver that couldn't get their head out of the cell phone while driving. It may have been from a driver too busy messing with their infotainment system, trying to decide if they want to listen to AM, or FM, perhaps SiriusXM, music on their cell phone, the music saved in their Honda music or on a jump drive or it easily could be from some driver feeling entitled or superior so those speed limits and other traffic control devices don't really mean anything to them. Or a driver that was just tired and failed to pay sufficient attention to their driving. Nothing in the photo indicates that the incident occurred from an Idle Auto Stop failure.

In the vast majority of cases the biggest failure is the one sitting behind the wheel. If the most dangerous part of the driving equation, humans, were ever "fixed" then what would you do for vehicles since 78% of all accidents would be disappear. Copart.com would not be able to stay in business on the remaining 12% caused by mechanical issued. Especially since most of those failures are from owners neglecting the maintenance of their vehicles.

I do not and have not said that the Auto Idle Stop system could not or should not be made better or safer, as there is always room for improvement even on the best system. Honda as well as all of the other auto makers definitely need to be looking into why their vehicles do not start every time all the time when the Auto Idle Stop is engaged and remedy the problem or problems.

But the same thing could be said about every system on every vehicle from every manufacturer. The reality is, vehicles will never be totally flawless. Certainly the driver behind the wheel will never be flawless.

As you said "Failure is not an option." yet we let the biggest failure get behind the wheel millions upon millions of times every day and yet there would be a tremendous outcry if vehicle manufactures were to address those issues where humans fail so as to mitigate many of problems caused by those drivers.

While it may not seem "convenient" to some to have to push a button to disable the system, it is a viable solution to the problem and most likely the only one the vehicle manufactures will offer. At least Honda gives you the ability to turn the system off, at any time when the vehicle is running. Buick for one didn't include an Auto Idle Off disengage button until 2019 and they are not the only manufacturer that did not or does not have a disengage feature.

When you get behind the wheel of a 4000 pound vehicle, your full attention should be directed to the operation of that vehicle, not the radio, your cell phone, the conversation with the passenger(s) in the vehicle, the cheese burger you're holding in one hand nor the fact that you didn't get around fast enough in the morning so now you may be late to work.
 
If someone gets into the vehicle and forgets to put on their seat belt then is injured in an accident, do you blame the manufacturer of the vehicle?
Forgetting to put your seatbelt on doesn't cause an accident.
That same photo you posted could just as easily be from forgetting to turn on headlights after dark and getting hit. It could be from a driver that couldn't get their head out of the cell phone while driving. It may have been from a driver too busy messing with their infotainment system, trying to decide if they want to listen to AM, or FM, perhaps SiriusXM, music on their cell phone, the music saved in their Honda music or on a jump drive or it easily could be from some driver feeling entitled or superior so those speed limits and other traffic control devices don't really mean anything to them. Or a driver that was just tired and failed to pay sufficient attention to their driving. Nothing in the photo indicates that the incident occurred from an Idle Auto Stop failure.
The point of the photo was not to try and figure out how this particular vehicle ended up in an accident. It was to help you visualize what can happen to you or your family member(s) when your idle stop start feature failed you in the middle of a intersection. Are you going to blame yourself for the death of a family member, because you were driving, and forgot to press the button to disable feature?
In the vast majority of cases the biggest failure is the one sitting behind the wheel.
Are you going to blame an accident (or possible death(s)) caused by the failure of the idle stop start feature on your loved one because they forgot to press the button? Would you blame yourself because you didn't permanently disable the feature. You got the fix right here and right now in this thread.
If the most dangerous part of the driving equation, humans, were ever "fixed" then what would you do for vehicles since 78% of all accidents would be disappear.
No doubt, there are a lot of idiots on the road, should you lump in everyone who forgot to hit the idle stop start button? Come on.
Copart.com would not be able to stay in business on the remaining 12% caused by mechanical issued. Especially since most of those failures are from owners neglecting the maintenance of their vehicles.
Forgetting to hit you idle start stop button or driving with it on would not be neglect.
I do not and have not said that the Auto Idle Stop system could not or should not be made better or safer, as there is always room for improvement even on the best system. Honda as well as all of the other auto makers definitely need to be looking into why their vehicles do not start every time all the time when the Auto Idle Stop is engaged and remedy the problem or problems.
It needs to be disabled until the solution comes. Blaming drivers for not hitting the button or actually using the feature is not appropriate.
But the same thing could be said about every system on every vehicle from every manufacturer. The reality is, vehicles will never be totally flawless. Certainly the driver behind the wheel will never be flawless.
Yes, I don't know if any vehicle or person that is "flawless." A fuel saving feature should not endanger the lives of those imperfect drivers who forgot to press the idle stop start button or who were using it as intended and it failed.
As you said "Failure is not an option." yet we let the biggest failure get behind the wheel millions upon millions of times every day and yet there would be a tremendous outcry if vehicle manufactures were to address those issues where humans fail so as to mitigate many of problems caused by those drivers.
Yes, I'm sure most here would admit they have made mistakes while driving. Some auto makers have made things like lane assist to help prevent accidents. These systems seem to lull some drivers into being overly reliant on the vehicle and not on themselves. This feature has caused deaths. But that's not what were talking about here. The outcry on this subject is a gas saving feature that you have paid for, is failing, leaving some people in some very dangerous situations. We can't blame the driver for using the feature or say "He should have pressed the button to disable the feature." Or "They wouldn't have lost their leg if they had pressed the button." Or "He'd be alive today if he had pressed the button." It's a shift of blame on a failing feature.
While it may not seem "convenient" to some to have to push a button to disable the system, it is a viable solution to the problem and most likely the only one the vehicle manufactures will offer.
Oh, the button is conveniently placed. It's remembering to press it. If one forgets to press it, should that cause them to be in a life threatening situation or even in an embracing situation blocking traffic?
At least Honda gives you the ability to turn the system off, at any time when the vehicle is running. Buick for one didn't include an Auto Idle Off disengage button until 2019 and they are not the only manufacturer that did not or does not have a disengage feature.
This means nothing if the feature fails and endangers you and others.
When you get behind the wheel of a 4000 pound vehicle, your full attention should be directed to the operation of that vehicle, not the radio, your cell phone, the conversation with the passenger(s) in the vehicle, the cheese burger you're holding in one hand nor the fact that you didn't get around fast enough in the morning so now you may be late to work.
Shifting blame.
 
At least Honda gives you the ability to turn the system off, at any time when the vehicle is running. Buick for one didn't include an Auto Idle Off disengage button until 2019 and they are not the only manufacturer that did not or does not have a disengage feature.
My company provides GMC Terrains for our fleet. My 2014 had a defeat button to disable the Idle Stop Start. My 2019 model does not have any way to defeat the feature. Our ‘19 Pilot has the feature and I leave it on. It is annoying in city stop light traffic so I may turn it off in town. It has not left us stranded in an intersection, which would probably change my tolerance of the feature. $0.02
 
My company provides GMC Terrains for our fleet. My 2014 had a defeat button to disable the Idle Stop Start. My 2019 model does not have any way to defeat the feature. Our ‘19 Pilot has the feature and I leave it on. It is annoying in city stop light traffic so I may turn it off in town. It has not left us stranded in an intersection, which would probably change my tolerance of the feature. $0.02
What do you mean by disable? The Pilot allows you to disable it, but it resets every time you start the car. Does the GMC allow you to keep it off forever?
 
No, the 2014 reset every time you restarted the ignition. The 2019 does not have any button to disable it temporarily. Sorry for the confusion.
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The button is the one that says OFF. It disables the "feature" temporarily. I wish it would stay off, but unfortunately it doesn't. You could use this thread if you want to permanently disable it:Automatic Auto Idle Stop System set to Off by default... . Hope this solves your issue.
 
So I get this message every few days popping up on my dashboard. "AUTO ENGINE IDLE STOP SYSTEM PROBLEM". This is a very annoying message as it comes up at some times daily. I have taken to the local dealer and they have no answer.
The vehicle is a 2017 Honda Pilot Touring with no other issues. I now have about 8,000 miles on the vehicle and would like to know if any other 2017 Honda Pilot owner have the problem or remedy to our problem. If you manually turn off the Auto Engine Idle System I still get the message. Thanks.
Hello, I have 2016 Honda Pilot with the same problem. Yesterday, my Honda Pilot stalled out I almost had an accident. Is there a recall for this issue? Take care and be safe.
 
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