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owns 2006 Honda Odyssey EX
Aftermarket mounts will be lower quality, but you could use them.
I have always used solid mounts, as opposed to OEM. Usually make them from rtv black, clean up the old mount, duct tape one side and fill it up the top, allow to settle for 24hrs and reinstall.

Obviously with the front mounts being electro-hydraulic, the propensity for NVH will be higher by not using them, but I guess Im more asking if the J35 does well (smooth) in its more natural (less VCM) state, or if its obnoxious?
 
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Passive motor mounts work great on a VCM-disabled J35. What folks on Odyclub do for the 3rd gen is disable them and then convert to the OEM passive mounts from models that didn't come with VCM.
 
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VCM cost me a motor mount and about $1000 to put a new one in. Disabling VCM actually increased my mileage about 3 MPG, and has already paid for itself.
Thanks for the note about your motor mount replacement. Can you tell me which mounts were replaced? My 2011 ex engine 85K miles seems to be bouncing around so I think some or several mounts are shot. I did get the VCM muzzler in July 2022. Did a Honda dealer do the motor mount(s) replacement? Thanks for your time!
 
UPDATE:
I purchased the S-VCM controller for two Pilots, a 2011 and a 2012. The 2011 is what I referenced in the original post with 145K after a full engine rebuild, getting about 17 MPG City and 19 highway. After installing the S-VCM, no check engine lights came on or really anything, but no eco light either. After 3 months and 3,500 mi, still going strong. I get about 16 MPG City and about 20 highway, so take that for what it's worth since I get worse mileage in the city but better on the highway which doesn't make sense.

On the 2012, that one was burning oil consistently and fouling plugs to the point of getting new plugs every oil change, and about a quart low every 3,000 mi with no leaks. Also had a rough idle and other little quirks. After the S-VCM, now it has gone a full 3,000 miles with no loss of oil and plugs still look great! That one also has a similar MPG of 17 City and 21 highway, which is down about 1 MPG for both city and highway. But the quality of life improvement is worth it, especially since it also cleaned up the rough idle and feels like a new vehicle again!

I just bought a 2011 Pilot EXL with 145k that just had $4k put into the engine for piston ring replacement and basically engine rebuild with a lot of other maintenance things done to it. After reading this sticky, I talked to the previous owner that said the Honda dealership didn't mention anything about the class action lawsuit or any assistance from Honda for this known problem created from the VCM.

I didn't realize all of the other issues that could happen from the VCM, but I'm gonna get the muzzler so more problems won't arise. Crazy to think the $4k wasn't needed, but I'm glad that I got it vehicle after the repairs (about 4k miles since, no issues, runs great). Even with VCM, I get 17mpg city, 19 hwy, can't wait to see what I get after.
I also have a 2008 Ody that has 340k and running strong with VCM that's active very often, and gets 24mpg. Luck of the draw I guess.
 
Thanks for the note about your motor mount replacement. Can you tell me which mounts were replaced? My 2011 ex engine 85K miles seems to be bouncing around so I think some or several mounts are shot. I did get the VCM muzzler in July 2022. Did a Honda dealer do the motor mount(s) replacement? Thanks for your time!
It was the rear motor mount, part # 50810-SZA-A02. I got it for about $280 on eBay.

In my car it was pretty obvious there was something wrong when going from forward to reverse, or maybe the other way around. You could hear and see the engine lurch. I forget what it looked like now, but when I held the mount it was obvious some rubber had separated.

I went with a Honda mount - aftermarket mounts are a bit less, but probably don't have all the electronics inside. If you're disabling VCM you may not need the electronics, but I don't know. I figured for the price difference and the cost of labor it was worth paying for the factory part.

I did not go to a dealer because they all wanted something like $500 more to do it with parts and labor. I went to a shop down the road who did just the labor for about $550.
 
UPDATE:
I purchased the S-VCM controller for two Pilots, a 2011 and a 2012. The 2011 is what I referenced in the original post with 145K after a full engine rebuild, getting about 17 MPG City and 19 highway. After installing the S-VCM, no check engine lights came on or really anything, but no eco light either. After 3 months and 3,500 mi, still going strong. I get about 16 MPG City and about 20 highway, so take that for what it's worth since I get worse mileage in the city but better on the highway which doesn't make sense.

On the 2012, that one was burning oil consistently and fouling plugs to the point of getting new plugs every oil change, and about a quart low every 3,000 mi with no leaks. Also had a rough idle and other little quirks. After the S-VCM, now it has gone a full 3,000 miles with no loss of oil and plugs still look great! That one also has a similar MPG of 17 City and 21 highway, which is down about 1 MPG for both city and highway. But the quality of life improvement is worth it, especially since it also cleaned up the rough idle and feels like a new vehicle again!
FWIW, after disabling VCM I've been putting Engine Restore in with every oil change, based on Project Farm's results. I figure it goes towards undoing some of the past sins of VCM on those rear cylinders.

 
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Really even just driving it hard for a while does wonders to reverse VCM damage. Additives can help speed it up, but I personally wouldn't say there's one that should be used.
 
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It was the rear motor mount, part # 50810-SZA-A02. I got it for about $280 on eBay.

In my car it was pretty obvious there was something wrong when going from forward to reverse, or maybe the other way around. You could hear and see the engine lurch. I forget what it looked like now, but when I held the mount it was obvious some rubber had separated.

I went with a Honda mount - aftermarket mounts are a bit less, but probably don't have all the electronics inside. If you're disabling VCM you may not need the electronics, but I don't know. I figured for the price difference and the cost of labor it was worth paying for the factory part.

I did not go to a dealer because they all wanted something like $500 more to do it with parts and labor. I went to a shop down the road who did just the labor for about $550.
Thanks for your reply. My pilot sounds like the same clunk. I have an EX which is just front wheel drive. I think both aftermarket and factory are "active" mounts but with the VCM muzzler installed and I am I'm liking, the electronic function will not be required or enabled. Your ebay price was a bargain and I'll look for the same. Thanks again for your reply.
 
Thanks for your reply. My pilot sounds like the same clunk. I have an EX which is just front wheel drive. I think both aftermarket and factory are "active" mounts but with the VCM muzzler installed and I am I'm liking, the electronic function will not be required or enabled. Your ebay price was a bargain and I'll look for the same. Thanks again for your reply.
FWIW the seller I got mine from is selling them for $299.99 now. Came boxed up from Honda just like the picture in the listing.
 
2011 Pilot here and had the famous VCM issued and I managed to get Honda to fix it for free except the timing belt which I decided to do and pay for it since they took the engine apart anyway.
Now, with this VCM dealer repair can I keep VCM enabled on my vehicle. Or do I still have to disable it? Would the VCM issue comeback even after the dealer repair? I have 164K on it and the repair was done at around 145K

Thanks in advance
 
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2011 Pilot here and had the famous VCM issued and I managed to get Honda to fix it for free except the timing belt which I decided to do and pay for it since they took the engine apart anyway.
Now, with this VCM dealer repair can I keep VCM enabled on my vehicle. Or do I still have to disable it? Would the VCM issue comeback even after the dealer repair? I have 164K on it and the repair was done at around 145K

Thanks in advance
Did you read the thread? The dealer repair is a complete waste, even when free. All it does is treat the symptoms, not the issue, so you will eventually have the issue down the road if you leave it enabled.
 
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Thanks Sir. Yes I read it but I wasn't sure, so better ask again just to be sure. I will install the mod ASAP. Thanks again
 
VCM-4: Wonder if the new technology will lead to a new failure mechanism... collapsed hydraulic tappets sort of like the collapsed lifters from GM and Chrysler?
 
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VCM-4: Wonder if the new technology will lead to a new failure mechanism... collapsed hydraulic tappets sort of like the collapsed lifters from GM and Chrysler?
Definitely possible and something I was thinking about. You would hope Honda learned from the failures of others but you never know these days. Only time will tell.

Hopefully at some point we learn more about VCM-4, there's really not a lot we know at the moment.
 
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Hey guys great sticky re: VCM. i just picked up a 2011 EX-L that the wife wanted in the color she wanted for a great price

I just ordered the VCM tuner from VCMTUNER for 2007+ Honda 3.5L I-VTEC - Disable VCM / ECO mode

And what i did not see in their description is how does the PCM know when to turn the cooling fans on?

Well because of this sticky i got my answer, the ECT2 is what controls the fans .

Glad to know the VCM disable is satisfying Pilot owners
 
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