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I just bought a 2014 Honda Pilot 119,000 miles. After just over 1000 miles or so the check engine light started flashing and it was misfiring. My nephew checked the plugs and it was #1. We replaced the plugs and he moved the #1 coil to #4 to see if the coil was bad. Not 100 miles later the check engine light started flashing again. He says it is too late for the SVCM that I need a complete tear down $4600 worth. Then put the SVCM on once the repairs are complete. What do you all think from your experience. Should I get the repairs. I have an extended warranty, trying to find out if it is covered.
 
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I just bought a 2014 Honda Pilot 119,000 miles. After just over 1000 miles or so the check engine light started flashing and it was misfiring. My nephew checked the plugs and it was #1. We replaced the plugs and he moved the #1 coil to #4 to see if the coil was bad. Not 100 miles later the check engine light started flashing again. He says it is too late for the SVCM that I need a complete tear down $4600 worth. Then put the SVCM on once the repairs are complete. What do you all think from your experience. Should I get the repairs. I have an extended warranty, trying to find out if it is covered.
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My car already has damaged piston rings, fouled spark plugs, and/or misfires. The dealer is quoting me an expensive piston ring replacement job. What can I do from here?
Even if your car already has one or more of those issues, it's NEVER too late for this.

Installing a VCM disable device and replacing all of the spark plugs should allow the piston rings to free up over time, and your engine should return to normal operation with VCM no longer engaging.

In very extreme cases, it is often suggested to add some Chevron Techron or equivalent to your gas tank and drive the car aggressively (hard acceleration is good, though wait until the engine warms up to do this) for a while to help free up the piston rings.

The bottom line is that you do not need to pay for an expensive piston ring replacement job and there's not much VCM damage that can't be undone. It is actually recommended to avoid the piston ring replacement job as not only is it expensive, but dealership technicians are known to frequently cause further issues when completely tearing down the engine for the job and putting it back together, leaving your engine in even worse shape than it already is. There are members of this forum who can attest to this.
 
owns 2006 Honda Odyssey EX
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Thank you very much. I ordered the SVCM and it will be delivered on Monday. I ran the code for this current engine light flashing. It was for #4 misfire where he moved the coil from #1 to #4. The first engine light flashing was for #1 misfire and the plug was full of oil. Have not looked at the #4 yet.
 
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Thank you very much. I ordered the SVCM and it will be delivered on Monday. I ran the code for this current engine light flashing. It was for #4 misfire where he moved the coil from #1 to #4. The first engine light flashing was for #1 misfire and the plug was full of oil. Have not looked at the #4 yet.
You'll want to replace any oil fouled plugs after disabling VCM.
 
owns 2006 Honda Odyssey EX
Hey! Which VCM muzzler would the experts me to get for Honda Pilot 2009 Touring? There are few of them above, I do not know which one is the best for my car.

I found this on Ebay -- VCMuzzler II to Disable / muzzle VCM Honda Pilot vehicles VCM Muzzler delete 2. It has pigtail. Do I need long or short pigtail?
 
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Hey! Which VCM muzzler would the experts me to get for Honda Pilot 2009 Touring? There are few of them above, I do not know which one is the best for my car.

I found this on Ebay -- VCMuzzler II to Disable / muzzle VCM Honda Pilot vehicles VCM Muzzler delete 2. It has pigtail. Do I need long or short pigtail?
Read the section about it and decide for yourself. What specific car you have doesn't matter, what matters is what kind of setup you are comfortable with:
Are there differences between the disable devices?
Yes. There are differences in features and compatibility.

The most important difference is that each disable device has a 2005-2006 version and a 2007+ version. These are not interchangeable. The Pilot is a little weird about this in terms of compatibility, so if you have a 2006-2008 Pilot, you will need the 2005-2006 version, and if you have a 2009+ Pilot, you will need the 2007+ version. However, the particular VCM version your vehicle has does not affect this. A 2009 Pilot would use the same muzzler as a 2016 Pilot despite the latter having VCM-3 and the former having VCM-2.

Also, while all the disable devices work on the same concept, they accomplish it in different ways.

There are two categories for muzzlers: passive and active.

Passive muzzlers are good because they're cheaper, but they also require manual adjustment as the climate changes and are more like VCM suppressors rather than true VCM disablers, as they only disable VCM 90-95% of the time. VCM may come on briefly if you are in stop and go traffic.

Active muzzlers are more expensive than passive muzzlers but they are completely automatic. After installation (which is slightly more difficult as you must run a wire to the battery), adjustment is completely automatic using a microcontroller with no user input required, and VCM is disabled 100% of the time. Active muzzlers also usually are capable of turning themselves off in a real overheating situation so that you will be able to see the car overheating on the temperature gauge even faster than with a passive muzzler. The VCMTuner II also supports turning itself off if the car is detected to be idling. This is useful for some service procedures such as idle relearns where the computer needs an accurate temperature reading.

Generally active muzzlers are recommended over the passive variant, but if you cannot purchase an active muzzler for whatever reason, the passive muzzlers are still better than nothing if you can live with adjusting it every now and then and VCM coming on occasionally.

Which VCM disable device should I purchase?
There are 5 different recommended disable devices. They are recommended because they are made by trusted, well-known individuals and they have excellent customer service should you encounter a problem with them. Here they are, arranged from least expensive to most expensive along with where you can get them or view the exact price:

MaxMuzzler - Send a private message to maxud and he will get back to you as soon as he can

VCMuzzler II - Send a private message to @verbatim, or if you can't, reply to this thread and verbatim will get back to you as soon as he can

VCMTuner - vcmtuner.com

S-VCM - svcmcontroller.com

VCMTuner II - vcmtuner.com

The following muzzlers are passive muzzlers:
MaxMuzzler (adjustable through resistance dial)
VCMuzzler II (adjustable through included swappable resistors)
VCMTuner (adjustable through resistance dial)

The following muzzlers are active muzzlers:
S-VCM
VCMTuner II

The VCMTuner and VCMTuner II are both CARB compliant, meaning that if you live in a CARB emissions state such as California or Washington, you should have no issues buying one and keeping it on for inspections and other work, and if anyone gives you a hard time about it, they come with a sticker showing the CARB compliance.

The choice of which type of muzzler and which specific muzzler you get for your vehicle is up to you. Consider the various factors as well as your specific situation to make your decision.
I have a VCMTuner II on my Accord because I don't want to ever have to adjust it and I want a product with solid reliability.

If you choose to get the VCMuzzler II, I would highly suggest ordering directly from verbatim on this forum rather than through eBay. This eliminates the possibility of getting a knockoff (as many sellers use the same VCMuzzler II name for their copies) and it will be a little cheaper due to not needing to worry about eBay fees.
 
owns 2006 Honda Odyssey EX
This thread explains all the key details regarding VCM. Rather than re-explaining everything about VCM to every new forum member, they can simply be directed here. Self-service FTW!

While there will be plenty of discussion in this thread, this first post contains the key information, so reading the rest of the thread (many pages) is not necessary. However, feel free to contribute to the discussion if you choose.

Although this is posted in the 2009-11 Pilot forum, the information here can be applied to all Pilots 2006 and newer.

Table of Contents:
1: What is VCM?
2: Does my Pilot have VCM?
3: Are there different versions of VCM?
4: How can I tell when VCM is active?
5: What's so bad about VCM?
6: I've owned several VCM vehicles and never had any issues. What's going on here?
7: If VCM is so bad, why does Honda still use it? Will Honda help me with my VCM related problems?
8: Okay. After reading this, I don't want VCM enabled on my vehicle. How do I disable it?
9: How do these disable devices work?
10: Are there differences between the disable devices?
11: Which VCM disable device should I purchase?
12: Will installing a VCM disable device void my warranty?
13: My car already has damaged piston rings, fouled spark plugs, and/or misfires. The dealer is quoting me an expensive piston ring replacement job. What can I do from here?
14: What are some other common issues to watch out for that can be caused by the effects of VCM?
15: Can I trust my engine to be reliable after disabling VCM?

Unfortunately, this forum does not support linking to sections, but if you only need the information from one of the sections listed above, feel free to scroll to that section.

There are similar threads on both OdyClub and DriveAccord that you can check out if you own one of those vehicles.

What is VCM?
VCM stands for Variable Cylinder Management. It is a technology introduced in 2005 that is present in many Honda V6 engines. It shuts off some cylinders in the V6 in situations where the full power of all cylinders is not needed in order to save fuel.

The technical explanation is that this is accomplished by using a solenoid controlled by oil pressure to unlock the cam followers from the rocker arms, which closes the valves and prevents them from opening throughout the piston stroke, stopping the combustion cycle in those cylinders. Fuel injection is also disabled in the disabled cylinders.

Besides the mechanical components in the engine to allow VCM operation, there are other components in the system. The most important component to know about is the active control engine mounts. When cylinders are disabled, it creates vibration from the motor, which the active mounts are designed to dampen so that you can't feel it in the cabin. Another part of the system is Active Noise Cancellation (ANC), which cancels noise from VCM by playing white noise through the vehicle's speakers.

Does my Pilot have VCM?
Honda introduced VCM to the Pilot in the 2006 model year beginning with the 2006 Pilot (only the 2WD model), and it has been used in Pilots and several other V6 Hondas ever since. Here is a list of Pilots that are equipped with VCM:

2006-08 - VCM is present on 2WD models only

2009 and up - VCM is present on all models

Are there different versions of VCM?
Yes. There are currently 4 different revisions of VCM:

VCM-1: The initial revision of VCM. It is capable of shutting off the rear bank of cylinders (cylinders 1-3).

VCM-2: The second and most problematic revision of VCM. It is capable of shutting off the rear bank of cylinders (cylinders 1-3) just like VCM-1, and it is also capable of shutting off one cylinder (cylinder 3) in the rear bank and one cylinder in the front bank (cylinder 4) at the same time, which means that VCM-2 affects an extra cylinder compared to VCM-1 and puts even more stress on cylinder 3.

VCM-3: The third revision. It is similar to VCM-1 in that it is only capable of shutting off cylinders 1-3.

VCM-4: The fourth and newest revision. Not much is known about this revision, but like VCM-3, it only shuts off cylinders 1-3. One key difference is unlike its predecessors that used varied camshaft profiles controlled by a solenoid, VCM-4 depressurizes hydraulic valve tappets to reach the same result of keeping the valves closed.

Different model year Pilots are equipped with different VCM revisions:

2006-2008 Pilots that are VCM-equipped (see the last section) have VCM-1

All 2009-2015 Pilots have VCM-2

All 2016-2022 Pilots have VCM-3

All 2023+ Pilots have VCM-4

How can I tell when VCM is active?
You may be interested in figuring out when VCM is active. On 2006-15 Pilots, you may be able to feel/hear it as there may be vibrations. You will also see the green ECO light illuminate on the dashboard. However, while it is not common, it is possible for this light to be on even when VCM is not active. On 2016+ Pilots, it's a little trickier, as there is no ECO light like the older models. You'll just have to listen carefully and feel for it. Even then, it may be difficult.

Note that the ECO light will not come on and VCM will be disabled when a Check Engine Light is on for any reason.

A common misconception is the ECON mode button and the corresponding dash light on newer Pilots controlling VCM. The ECON mode has nothing to do with VCM. It affects things like shift points and throttle response to increase fuel economy.

What's so bad about VCM?
While VCM is a great idea in theory, in practice it has major issues.

During VCM operation, the valves on the disabled cylinders are closed off while the piston continues to move up and down. This creates a vacuum effect in the cylinder, allowing some oil to get sucked past the piston rings into the combustion chamber. This oil continues to collect in the combustion chamber until VCM disengages, at which point the cylinder must burn off the oil before resuming normal operation. This is one way that VCM can cause burning oil.

When VCM is used repeatedly for long periods of time, it can also cause the piston rings to get gummed up with buildup, preventing a good seal and allowing oil to get past the rings into the combustion chamber even when VCM is not operating. This is another way that VCM can cause burning oil.

Oil burning can cause oil fouling of the spark plugs, leading to misfires. The oil burning combined with the misfires will destroy your catalytic converters (not cheap to replace!) over time.

Besides these internal engine problems, VCM operation also puts stress on the active control engine mounts, causing them to wear out fast. These engine mounts are not cheap. One single mount can cost several hundred dollars in parts alone.

Simply put, VCM is gambling on your engine for a gain of 1-2 MPG at best. Gas is cheaper than an engine, especially given the very slight MPG difference.

This great video by speedkar99 shows a VCM engine taken apart so you can see how the parts of the system work together and how they cause problems. If you're interested, take a look:

I've owned several VCM vehicles and never had any issues. What's going on here?
These VCM problems are not consistent. Many factors play in to what (if any) problems you may see and at what severity. People who drove their vehicles hard when they were new have typically had fewer issues later on. People with VCM-1, VCM-3, and VCM-4 may experience fewer problems simply because there are fewer situations where VCM can engage and it will stay engaged for less time. But as mentioned in the previous section, the MPG gained is minimal at best, so what's the point in risking it?

If VCM is so bad, why does Honda still use it? Will Honda help me with my VCM related problems?
Honda would not spend the time and money to develop VCM unnecessarily. They're using VCM because it gets them CAFE credits from the EPA if they can maximize MPG on their vehicles. Without it, they'd be hit by penalties that would add up quickly given the large amount of vehicles that they sell.

Honda still refuses to acknowledge any problems with the VCM system as doing so would defeat the purpose as they would get in further trouble with the EPA. While there was a class action lawsuit against them regarding VCM, they settled it by offering an extended warranty on the piston rings (which they claimed were the actual cause of the problem) for 2008-2013 vehicles equipped with VCM. This warranty is now well past the expiration if you were lucky enough to be covered by it, and 2008-2013 doesn't cover a large chunk of VCM vehicles that are still affected. While Honda dealerships will sometimes offer goodwill consideration for a piston ring replacement job on these vehicles, the cost can still be somewhat high, and because it's such a big, complex job, there's a good chance that more problems may be caused by technicians tearing apart the engine and putting it back together incorrectly. Some owners have experienced this in the past.

And for what it's worth, Honda has been phasing out VCM by simply phasing out the J-series V6 altogether. They're moving more towards the turbocharged 2.0L engine as seen in the 10th generation Accord. No more V6 = no more VCM. But then you get all the fun associated with a turbocharged engine. You win some, you lose some.

Honda has a new DOHC V6 design that debuted in the 2021 Acura TLX Type-S. Despite being a fairly significant redesign, VCM is equipped on this engine as well.

Okay. After reading this, I don't want VCM enabled on my vehicle. How do I disable it?
Good choice. Unfortunately, with the exception of VCM being inactive whenever a check engine light is on, Honda cannot include any built in disable switch for VCM because they wouldn't get the CAFE credits if they did. This means you must install an aftermarket device (also known as a VCM "muzzler"). However, do not worry. Installation is quite simple and an inexperienced user could likely install one in 15 minutes or less. All the devices come with good instructions for installation and don't require much in terms of tools (depending on which type you choose, you might not need any tools at all).

How do these disable devices work?
All these VCM disable devices work on the same concept: altering the coolant temperature reading sent to the computer to ensure that the reading never gets to 167 degrees Fahrenheit or higher.

By doing this, the computer thinks the engine is not fully warmed up yet, and it is programmed to not engage VCM until the engine has warmed up in order to ensure that excess wear is not caused by disabling cylinders on a cold engine, so it does not engage VCM. However, this does not affect the actual operating temperature of your engine, only the temperature reading the computer sees. And it is not a very significant change either.

Also, only the reading for one of the temperature sensors (known as ECT1, short for Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor 1) is altered. The other (ECT2) is left intact, so cooling fans will still operate normally, because cooling fans are controlled by ECT2 and are not at all affected by the ECT1 reading. Air/fuel ratio has also been found to be unaffected by using a VCM disable device. In fact, the only difference you'll notice is that your coolant temperature gauge may sit slightly lower than before when fully warmed up. However, there is no need to worry, as you will still be able to tell if your engine is overheating, as the gauge will still rise to hot like it would before.

There are absolutely no long-term risks of using a VCM disable device. In fact, there are more long-term risks if you don't use one.

Are there differences between the disable devices?
Yes. There are differences in features and compatibility.

The most important difference is that each disable device has a 2005-2006 version and a 2007+ version. These are not interchangeable. The Pilot is a little weird about this in terms of compatibility, so if you have a 2006-2008 Pilot, you will need the 2005-2006 version, and if you have a 2009+ Pilot, you will need the 2007+ version. However, the particular VCM version your vehicle has does not affect this. A 2009 Pilot would use the same muzzler as a 2016 Pilot despite the latter having VCM-3 and the former having VCM-2.

Also, while all the disable devices work on the same concept, they accomplish it in different ways.

There are two categories for muzzlers: passive and active.

Passive muzzlers are good because they're cheaper, but they also require manual adjustment as the climate changes and are more like VCM suppressors rather than true VCM disablers, as they only disable VCM 90-95% of the time. VCM may come on briefly if you are in stop and go traffic.

Active muzzlers are more expensive than passive muzzlers but they are completely automatic. After installation (which is slightly more difficult as you must run a wire to the battery), adjustment is completely automatic using a microcontroller with no user input required, and VCM is disabled 100% of the time. Active muzzlers also usually are capable of turning themselves off in a real overheating situation so that you will be able to see the car overheating on the temperature gauge even faster than with a passive muzzler. The VCMTuner II also supports turning itself off if the car is detected to be idling. This is useful for some service procedures such as idle relearns where the computer needs an accurate temperature reading.

Generally active muzzlers are recommended over the passive variant, but if you cannot purchase an active muzzler for whatever reason, the passive muzzlers are still better than nothing if you can live with adjusting it every now and then and VCM coming on occasionally.

Which VCM disable device should I purchase?
There are 5 different recommended disable devices. They are recommended because they are made by trusted, well-known individuals and they have excellent customer service should you encounter a problem with them. Here they are, arranged from least expensive to most expensive along with where you can get them or view the exact price:

MaxMuzzler - Send a private message to maxud and he will get back to you as soon as he can

VCMuzzler II - Send a private message to @verbatim, or if you can't, reply to this thread and verbatim will get back to you as soon as he can

VCMTuner - vcmtuner.com

S-VCM - svcmcontroller.com

VCMTuner II - vcmtuner.com

The following muzzlers are passive muzzlers:
MaxMuzzler (adjustable through resistance dial)
VCMuzzler II (adjustable through included swappable resistors)
VCMTuner (adjustable through resistance dial)

The following muzzlers are active muzzlers:
S-VCM
VCMTuner II

The VCMTuner and VCMTuner II are both CARB compliant, meaning that if you live in a CARB emissions state such as California or Washington, you should have no issues buying one and keeping it on for inspections and other work, and if anyone gives you a hard time about it, they come with a sticker showing the CARB compliance.

The choice of which type of muzzler and which specific muzzler you get for your vehicle is up to you. Consider the various factors as well as your specific situation to make your decision.

Will installing a VCM disable device void my warranty?
Installing a VCM disable device should not void your warranty. Many members have left their disable devices on when taking their vehicles to the dealership for service, and it has either gone unnoticed or noticed and ignored. As a matter of fact, in some cases the dealerships have even endorsed the device. However, if you are concerned about it, you can easily remove the disable device before you take it in for service and reinstall it afterwards with no harm done.

My car already has damaged piston rings, fouled spark plugs, and/or misfires. The dealer is quoting me an expensive piston ring replacement job. What can I do from here?
Even if your car already has one or more of those issues, it's NEVER too late for this.

Installing a VCM disable device and replacing all of the spark plugs should allow the piston rings to free up over time, and your engine should return to normal operation with VCM no longer engaging.

In very extreme cases, it is often suggested to add some Chevron Techron or equivalent to your gas tank and drive the car aggressively (hard acceleration is good, though wait until the engine warms up to do this) for a while to help free up the piston rings.

The bottom line is that you do not need to pay for an expensive piston ring replacement job and there's not much VCM damage that can't be undone. It is actually recommended to avoid the piston ring replacement job as not only is it expensive, but dealership technicians are known to frequently cause further issues when completely tearing down the engine for the job and putting it back together, leaving your engine in even worse shape than it already is. There are members of this forum who can attest to this.

What are some other common issues to watch out for that can be caused by the effects of VCM?
There are some other issues that can come up that are seemingly unrelated to VCM, but they are indeed caused by VCM. It's important to disable VCM before fixing these things as otherwise the problem may return. Here are some of these problems:

Torque Converter Damage:
Many owners of VCM-3 equipped Pilots have reported damage caused to their torque converter due to the effects of VCM. When VCM was active, vibrations and increased slippage in the torque converter put more abuse on the transmission, leading to premature breakdown of the transmission fluid, resulting in transmission damage.

Torn Intake Hose:
It is common (especially on VCM-2 equipped vehicles, but this can be an issue on most J series engines) for the main intake hose to tear, causing issues with rough idle and stalling, especially when shifting into different gears. The cause of this issue is worn motor mounts from VCM operation. Once the motor mounts fail, there is excessive engine movement, which easily tears the intake hose. The complete fix to this is to replace the intake hose and inspect the motor mounts (replacing if needed) after disabling VCM.

Worn/Pitted Camshafts:
Many VCM-2 engines are known to have issues with the camshaft (typically the front bank camshaft) wearing out prematurely causing a ticking sound. Disabling VCM early can help prevent this, but it's still possible that it could happen later on, especially if VCM was active for a large number of miles.

Spool Valve Oil Leak/Fried Alternator:
VCM-2 engines are also equipped with a spool valve in the front cylinder head to enable disabling cylinder 4. This spool valve is positioned in a spot that causes oil leakage from it to go straight into the alternator that is positioned directly below it. Unfortunately, disabling VCM does not mean this spool valve will not eventually leak down the road as it will still be holding back oil pressure.

It is highly recommended that you occasionally monitor this area and get it fixed as soon as possible once you notice even a small leak from it to avoid damage to your alternator.

Lack of low end power:
If you drive a non-VCM engine and a VCM engine, you may notice that the non-VCM engine feels like it has more power, especially at lower RPMs. This is not really an issue as much as a consequence of the design of VCM.

Due to the way VCM works, engines equipped with VCM-1 or VCM-2 are not equipped with Honda's classic VTEC. This can manifest itself as a lack of low end power.

Can I trust my engine to be reliable after disabling VCM?
Yes. As long as you do regular maintenance like you would with any other car, once you disable VCM, your engine will be just as reliable as a Honda engine that doesn't have VCM. Enjoy the ride with all 6 cylinders working all the time!
Great information - thank you! What I'd like to know is: are there any modifications that owners can make to turn on the check engine light without sacrificing performance and thereby disabling VCM? Also, my uncle has a 2010 Pilot and runs Techron (I think the High Mileage variant) every 4-5K miles and has not had any problems with his engine mounts, spark plugs fouling or burning any oil. Could his regular use of Techron have anything to do with that?
 
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Great information - thank you! What I'd like to know is: are there any modifications that owners can make to turn on the check engine light without sacrificing performance and thereby disabling VCM? Also, my uncle has a 2010 Pilot and runs Techron (I think the High Mileage variant) every 4-5K miles and has not had any problems with his engine mounts, spark plugs fouling or burning any oil. Could his regular use of Techron have anything to do with that?
It's possible that's helping, also if he drives with a lead foot that can help.

There are a lot of things you can do to trigger a harmless CEL. Leaving the gas cap loose will cause an EVAP leak and associated CEL. Another common tactic is disconnecting the connector on the spool valve. That will set a CEL that is harmless.
 
owns 2006 Honda Odyssey EX
Thank You for this well written explanation of the VCM system. I have a 2011 Pilot I installed VCMTuner II a couple years ago my Pilot is still running great at 118,000 thousand miles close estimate with out looking at my odometer. My eco light never came on again after installing the device I have not experienced any negative effects of VCM on my 2011 Pilot. I do have to maintain this vehicle religiously as it gets older still better than a huge car payment.
 
I wanted to share my experience dealing with the affects of VCM on my ‘14 Pilot. We bought it in April of ‘22 with about 100k miles on it, in great shape. About a year later the engine light came on along with some others and the engine was running rough/missing. My sometimes car guy replaced a plug/coil and it fixed it for a few months and then it started all over. We drove it that way over the summer, but driving it as little as possible. At one point I tried passing someone in it and upon accelerating, it staggered and the engine started flashing. I pulled over and turned it off. When I restarted, the light was back to steady and I made it where I was going but I was spooked from that point on. Finally took it to Honda, who told me I needed a piston ring replacement and quoted me something like $5500. I sat on the problem for a few more weeks, too busy to do much about it. I remembered this forum from some repairs I did on our previous Pilot. I did some searching around and found this thread. Last weekend I changed the plugs and installed the SVCM unit and the car is running strong and all lights have turned off. It looks like this $100 device has saved me a lot of money and heartache. I’m pretty disillusioned with Honda and extremely thankful to the folks who have shared all of this information.
 
I have just over 120,000 now on my 2011 Pilot and it is still running great after I installed VCM Tuner II a couple years ago. I believe Honda has to equip the Pilot with VCM for their emissions and gas mileage rating's but don't quote me on this. Every vehicle with cylinder deactivation has experienced issues and we as consumers would be better of with out these systems.
 
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I disabled VCM on my Accord with VCMTuner II as soon as I got it in July 2022 with 23k. Zero issues apart from a phantom P3400 code this past July that went away after clearing and hasn't come back. Very happy so far.

About the only negatives left with these engines after disabling VCM is the front spool valve that can leak and the lack of VTEC.
 
owns 2006 Honda Odyssey EX
Hmmm... kinda glad I decided to look into this a little deeper. Just read the vcm sticky, so many thanks for compiling that. I'm in the middle of the very frustrating, arduous process of getting another vehicle at what's likely one of the most disadvantageous times in human history to be on the buying side of the auto market. I was looking at sequoias abs tundras, but after having spent far too much windshield time and gas money to look at rotted out frame after rotted out frame ("frames good man, just a little surface rust"... you know the drill) for the privilege of handing over 9-13k for a 11-14 year old vehicle with at least 170k on the odo, I've given up on used toyotas altogether. I live in maine, and we like to salt the ever living crap outta 2 things: our food and our roads, and nothing evidences the latter better than a toyota frame after a couple years. So back to what I know... or what I thought I knew anyway... the honda 3.5L. For reference, I've always been a honda guy. Bought my wife a gen 1 pilot, and I've had an 03 element for 11 years, and then an 09 ridgeline I bought 5 years back with 289k on her already. Since I've gotten her to 390k, but alas, all good things must end, and I wanted a change on interior scenery front anyway. And a better sound system while I'm at it. So I've been looking at gen 2 pilots, as i like their aesthetic better than the 3s, and the 4s are far out of the reach of my wallet. Naturally, from what I've read thus far, that's the most problematic generation of vcm. So, getting to the point here then...

I had decided to pay a visit to the guy a bought the ridgeline from years back, as he's a long time honda mechanic full of ancient Chinese technical wisdom and vets his used, and generally high mileage, Hondas very well. He has this '13 pilot touring, in white (bonus...i think it wears that color particularly nicely), with 197k, but it's spotless. Just super clean. At just over $10k, with a fresh timing belt and water pump job prior to sale, I'm thinking to myself, this is a safer bet than some 140k same year model for 7 or 8k from some auction flipper selling outta their house on marketplace.. some of you know the shady type im talking about. I figured my ridgeline lasted through years of my general neglect for maintenence, which a why it's the reason I buy Hondas in the first place. But, the ridgeline 3.5 is the good old regular vtec... this pilot, with a 197k vcm seems like a gamble as compared to the simplicity and proven reliability of the older engine. Should this give me pause? That's kinda a long time for these vcm issues to take hold and create the conditions for expensive repairs. In second guessing myself in light of this new info.
 
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Hmmm... kinda glad I decided to look into this a little deeper. Just read the vcm sticky, so many thanks for compiling that. I'm in the middle of the very frustrating, arduous process of getting another vehicle at what's likely one of the most disadvantageous times in human history to be on the buying side of the auto market. I was looking at sequoias abs tundras, but after having spent far too much windshield time and gas money to look at rotted out frame after rotted out frame ("frames good man, just a little surface rust"... you know the drill) for the privilege of handing over 9-13k for a 11-14 year old vehicle with at least 170k on the odo, I've given up on used toyotas altogether. I live in maine, and we like to salt the ever living crap outta 2 things: our food and our roads, and nothing evidences the latter better than a toyota frame after a couple years. So back to what I know... or what I thought I knew anyway... the honda 3.5L. For reference, I've always been a honda guy. Bought my wife a gen 1 pilot, and I've had an 03 element for 11 years, and then an 09 ridgeline I bought 5 years back with 289k on her already. Since I've gotten her to 390k, but alas, all good things must end, and I wanted a change on interior scenery front anyway. And a better sound system while I'm at it. So I've been looking at gen 2 pilots, as i like their aesthetic better than the 3s, and the 4s are far out of the reach of my wallet. Naturally, from what I've read thus far, that's the most problematic generation of vcm. So, getting to the point here then...

I had decided to pay a visit to the guy a bought the ridgeline from years back, as he's a long time honda mechanic full of ancient Chinese technical wisdom and vets his used, and generally high mileage, Hondas very well. He has this '13 pilot touring, in white (bonus...i think it wears that color particularly nicely), with 197k, but it's spotless. Just super clean. At just over $10k, with a fresh timing belt and water pump job prior to sale, I'm thinking to myself, this is a safer bet than some 140k same year model for 7 or 8k from some auction flipper selling outta their house on marketplace.. some of you know the shady type im talking about. I figured my ridgeline lasted through years of my general neglect for maintenence, which a why it's the reason I buy Hondas in the first place. But, the ridgeline 3.5 is the good old regular vtec... this pilot, with a 197k vcm seems like a gamble as compared to the simplicity and proven reliability of the older engine. Should this give me pause? That's kinda a long time for these vcm issues to take hold and create the conditions for expensive repairs. In second guessing myself in light of this new info.
I have never seen a case where disabling VCM didn't reverse any existing problems. Outside of things like catcons and motor mounts and such, VCM doesn't cause irreversible damage to engine components. The rings themselves are still fine.
 
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Please advise me on my 2013 Honda Pilot with VCM issue. I would like to install the disabling device. Can someone tell me which type I should buy and who installs these things...any reputable mechanic. I certainly can't do it myself.

I was going to go out and buy another car but like now is NOW the time to buy another car.

Thank you.

I did read most if not all of this thread. Appreciate all the information.
 
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Just watched a You Tube video and think I can handle it. Thanks again.
My personal recommendation for a first time installer would be to let the engine sit for 3-4 hours at least. It can get hot in there so if you're inexperienced you could accidentally burn yourself on something when working close to those hot components.

Ideally, let it sit overnight and just install it the following morning, but since you would want to leave the hood popped before letting it sit, this may not be ideal for everyone.
 
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