[Daltongang]

That's funny because multiple forums I've been on love GM Syncromesh in their non GM manuals... Pathfinders, Accords, Civics to name a few.

Could be, seeing as it's local and as I have a couple of friends with older manual transmission Vettes, I took their word for it. Both of them use it in their vehicles and they are both members of the local Corvette club. It may also be that it is easy for them to get since both they and it are local.

 

[BluePilot’19]

Bought the gallon of VTM-4 today from local Honda dealer and the cost was $42 - wow

 

[Daltongang]

Bought the gallon of VTM-4 today from local Honda dealer and the cost was $42 - wow

I'll bet the dealer would charge you a heck of a lot more for two differential fluid changes. Your cost for one so far was $21 dollars and some time. You should have enough left over for another change down the road. That $21 is pretty much equivalent to a weeks worth of Starbucks for most people and will do a whole lot more for a whole lot longer than one of those fancy Starbucks drinks.

 

[BluePilot’19]

I'll bet the dealer would charge you a heck of a lot more for two differential fluid changes. Your cost for one so far was $21 dollars and some time. You should have enough left over for another change down the road. That $21 is pretty much equivalent to a weeks worth of Starbucks for most people and will do a whole lot more for a whole lot longer than one of those fancy Starbucks drinks.

LOL and I don’t even drink coffee

I thought I saw it takes 3 quarts for one change

 

[Hondamon]

Bought the gallon of VTM-4 today from local Honda dealer and the cost was $42 - wow

Hope you are not planning on using that fluid in your gen3. The correct diff fluid is DPSF II which is made by the Nippon Oil Co. for Honda. You can also get Eneos DPSF II from NAPA stores at a better price than the dealer.

 

[Daltongang]

LOL and I don’t even drink coffee

I thought I saw it takes 3 quarts for one change

The Owners Manual says 1.9 quarts on Gen 3's of DPSF-II

 

[Daltongang]

If you pick yourself up one of these you shouldn't even have to worry about spilling any. You can probably get it a little cheaper at Amazon.

 

[BluePilot’19]

Thank you !!! I will return the fluid I bought and buy two quarts of the correct fluid for my rear differential in my 19 pilot

 

[BluePilot’19]

The Owners Manual says 1.9 quarts on Gen 3's of DPSF-II
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I was going Off this

 

[hokiefyd]

That's definitely not correct. The Pilot used to take VTM-4 fluid, back when the AWD system was called VTM-4 and used a slightly different technology in the rear differential. I think that applies to Gen 1 and Gen 2 (through 2015).

The Gen 3 Pilots with the iVTM-4 system (2016 and up) use Dual Pump System Fluid (or DPSF) in the rear differential housing.

 

[ls973800]

I was going Off this

Honda must have been so concerned about an incorrect rear differential fluid being used in the 3rd generation Pilots that they went ahead and STAMPED the correct fluid name on the rear differential!!!! This was found on the 2016 models and my 2019 model has it also. Thanks to "Wanderer" who originally posted this picture! Note also that the Honda fluid may be hard to find in stock and the Honda parts department will substitute the same part number 08200-9007 with 08200-9007A. The bottle will say Acura hence the A on the part number but the fluid is the same!

 

[sequoiasoon]

And as always a PSA.....remove the fill plug BEFORE you remove the drain, just in case fill doesn't come loose.

And if you get 1 quart of Honda HGO-1 you can do the front transfer case/differential 2x. It takes less than 1/2 quart. Other versions will work also but it's only 1 bottle.

 

[BluePilot’19]

So basically get a gallon of the Dpsf for the rear and a quart of the hgo-1 for the front

 

[BluePilot’19]

That's definitely not correct. The Pilot used to take VTM-4 fluid, back when the AWD system was called VTM-4 and used a slightly different technology in the rear differential. I think that applies to Gen 1 and Gen 2 (through 2015).

The Gen 3 Pilots with the iVTM-4 system (2016 and up) use Dual Pump System Fluid (or DPSF) in the rear differential housing.

So the front is the transfer case and differential and it only take half a quart ?

 

[sequoiasoon]

I'll bet the dealer would charge you a heck of a lot more for two differential fluid changes. Your cost for one so far was $21 dollars and some time. You should have enough left over for another change down the road. That $21 is pretty much equivalent to a weeks worth of Starbucks for most people and will do a whole lot more for a whole lot longer than one of those fancy Starbucks drinks.

I would need to find my receipt from back then but my post from 12/2020 the dealer had charged $500 for the rear diff D&F with DPSF and tranny D&F (DW-1 6 speed). @Slvr7 at that time said his dealer was doing $80 for the rear and $90 for tranny. I don't know what they are now. Current dealer coupons around me don't have any "specials" listed for tranny or diff.

further back in posts with BG stuff. My daughter has an '08 CRV that was maintained at dealer for many things. There are multiple receipts with BG services (Power steering, Coolant, Brakes) and then others that show they used DW-1 and DPSF. This was at Curry Honda in Westchester NY. So they are using at least some BG stuff. I think my dealer here on Long Island also uses some. Daughters CRV currently has almost 220k on it and all working well.

 

[hokiefyd]

So the front is the transfer case and differential and it only take half a quart ?

The front differential is part of the transaxle and internal to the transmission case. It's lubricated by the transmission fluid. The front transfer case (external to the transmission case) is basically just a 90-degree power take off and that is lubricated by the gear oil and takes only about half of a quart, yes. There's no differential action in the transfer case itself -- the transfer case is just a simple 90-degree gearset that spins the propeller shaft at transmission output speed.

 

[sequoiasoon]

So the front is the transfer case and differential and it only take half a quart ?

The front is listed as transfer assembly, it is basically part of the transmission. Some refer to it as transfer case or front differential. It has it's own drain and fill plugs. See my post HERE so you know what you are looking for and not the tranny drain plug.

 

[BluePilot’19]

I just bought 3 quarts of this from the dealer who said that the rear differential In my 19 pilot takes 3 quarts I look at the manual says 3.3 quarts so I’m hoping being .3 quarts low might not be a bad thing

also is dpf2 the same as dpsf2 ?
If not I’ll have to return it and get the correct fluid again

 

[sequoiasoon]

Same fluid just referenced differently at times due to long name. Dealer is confusing Transmission drain and fill (that takes 3.3qt) with the rear differential at just shy of 2qts.

 

[BluePilot’19]

this is my owners Manual andI have the regular shifter - I am gonna go back and return the third quart of dpf2 fluid now