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Could be a one-size (psi) fits all approach or perhaps the synth media has superior flow properties while capturing extremely low micron particles.
I quit the 10k mile oil changes a while back over the concern of having to top off the oil frequently when using Mobil 1 Extended Performance oil. Since then, I felt there was no need to pay $10 for a M1-110A. I found one thread on the web, but its ancient...
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I'm beginning to think that a higher BPV psi is necessary to keep the oil cleaner longer. Fram Tough Gaurd is 13.
 
It's sad, because through the usual bickering that's been done on this thread there are some really good facts buried and some pertinent questions that remain unanswered.
Either that, or if you use either the Honda filter or a high grade filter from a major manufacturer then it doesn't much matter which one choose - and the concern that some have expressed over bypass valve specs ends up as nothing more than making a mountain out of a molehill.
Has there ever been a thread on this forum about the use of any oil filter (that was changed within Honda's recommended service interval) damaging a Pilot's engine?
 
Either that, or if you use either the Honda filter or a high grade filter from a major manufacturer then it doesn't much matter which one choose - and the concern that some have expressed over bypass valve specs ends up as nothing more than making a mountain out of a molehill.
Has there ever been a thread on this forum about the use of any oil filter (that was changed within Honda's recommended service interval) damaging a Pilot's engine?
I think it's a great discussion for those who DIY and buy aftermarket parts. If there is a possibility that an aftermarket oil filter can keep oil cleaner for longer, I want to know. I'm sure that I'm not the only one. What good is an oil filter if the bypass valve stays open all of the time? That could be causing engine wear. It's a moot point for you because you use dealership services. You will continue to use dealership services even if something else is proved to be a little better, like your use of semi synthetic oil for example.
 
Could be a one-size (psi) fits all approach or perhaps the synth media has superior flow properties while capturing extremely low micron particles.
Both Wix and Wix XP have a 8-11 psi BPV rating.
 
Both Wix and Wix XP have a 8-11 psi BPV rating.
Quotes are from a discussion on the high bypass setting on some Subaru motors: “OE Subaru and WIX are the only oil filters currently on the market that have the Subaru-spec bypass valve rating (OE 23 psi vs. more typical 10-12 psi).” (Fram has been mentioned to make the blue OE Subaru filter).
“The high bypass settting is not a necessity and is based on Subie requesting it because their filtering media (that they speced) isn't that good. With a modern filter such as the Ultra or M1 the filter flows extremely well thus rarely putting the filter into bypass mode, if at all. I've spoken with M1 tech support about the bypass setting and they are very aware of it but reply that flow rates with high quality media make the bypass setting a moot point. Fram says the same thing. Also consider the pressure differential which is what causes bypass.”
 
Quotes are from a discussion on the high bypass setting on some Subaru motors: “OE Subaru and WIX are the only oil filters currently on the market that have the Subaru-spec bypass valve rating (OE 23 psi vs. more typical 10-12 psi).” (Fram has been mentioned to make the blue OE Subaru filter).
“The high bypass settting is not a necessity and is based on Subie requesting it because their filtering media (that they speced) isn't that good. With a modern filter such as the Ultra or M1 the filter flows extremely well thus rarely putting the filter into bypass mode, if at all. I've spoken with M1 tech support about the bypass setting and they are very aware of it but reply that flow rates with high quality media make the bypass setting a moot point. Fram says the same thing. Also consider the pressure differential which is what causes bypass.”
I hear it, but I don't know that I completely believe it. If this were true, wouldn't there be different BPV settings between the two Wix filters with different media? Why is the Purolator Boss that is made with synthetic fibers, said to be ok for use on our Honda with a 14-18 psi BPV rating? It would seem to me that this would cause the oil to pass through the filter for a longer oil change interval, versus any Wix filter with it's wimpy bypass setting. By logic, would it not be best to use a filter with the highest BPV setting so long as the vehicle can safely handle it? Maybe this is how these filters can go 10k + before needing replacing.
 
I think it's a great discussion for those who DIY and buy aftermarket parts. If there is a possibility that an aftermarket oil filter can keep oil cleaner for longer, I want to know. I'm sure that I'm not the only one. What good is an oil filter if the bypass valve stays open all of the time? That could be causing engine wear. It's a moot point for you because you use dealership services. You will continue to use dealership services even if something else is proved to be a little better, like your use of semi synthetic oil for example.
If the performance of the Honda oil filter - or semi-synthetic oil - is already sufficient, isn't choosing some aftermarket product that might be a little better a moot point?
Have you actually used semi-synthetic oil in your Pilot and found it to be deficient - or are you just speculating?
 
If the performance of the Honda oil filter - or semi-synthetic oil - is already sufficient, isn't choosing some aftermarket product that might be a little better a moot point?
Have you actually used semi-synthetic oil in your Pilot and found it to be deficient - or are you just speculating?
It's already proven that full synthetic oil is a large improvement over semi blend which is mostly conventional oil. Not even a discussion.
 
I now really look forward to a Project Farm episode on engine oil filters. Somebody (not me) should submit the idea. :)
 
How cold must it be for the pressure relief valve to open before the oil flows?
Well thats your supposedly statement about bypass valves. I'd reckoned it's impossible to associate this with a specific temperature as there may be multiple variables: internal clearances, grade of oil, size of oil pump, health of oil pump, rate of warm up and age of engine components, strength of oil filter canister etc etc....
 
Welp, I ordered a case of Purolator PL14459 instead of Wix 51334 XP. This will bump the bypass valve pressure up from 8-11 to 12-15 psi.
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