So what brand engine oil (0w-20) does everyone use? I’m looking to do it myself, thanks.
What brand 0w-20 oil?
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Is the “earth dreams “ engine only the third gen ?
I don’t want to argue with you or anyone. People believe what they are going to believe and this exchange is no longer useful. I am reminded of prior exchanges on how valve adjustments aren’t needed and aftermarket timing belt kits are just dandy. It’s one of the reasons I no longer buy used cars.
If we're talking about the direct injection engine that's in the 3rd gen, yes, I believe that there is a problem. Not everyone thinks there is. Here's what mine looked like...
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Yes - Honda provides a set of minimum specifications and bids out the production. Honda isn't looking for "the best possible product" they're looking for something that's good enough and meets their specs. There have been plenty of times with plenty of manufactures where "good enough" isn't as good as the aftermarket can produce. The Fram Ultra Synthetic filter I buy costs more than the OEM filter. I run it because I've seen inside both of them, researched the specs, and feel like the Ultra Synthetic is a superior product. Kind of like tires - the Michelin MXV tires that came on these cars were certainly adequate but as I think we've all discovered there are better options available. Of course you can also buy a lot cheaper tires too.
Yikes 😳 I wonder what my direct injection in my sky looks like at 114,000 miles nowThat's pretty clean for a DI engine.
BMW N54 @ 44k
I have heard of walnut shell blasting to clean it up but seems like a messy job
Hmmm... No fuel to wash the oil off the intake valves? maybe it needs a separate oil filter for the PCV system? j/k... Though a good intake-tract cleaning (Seafoam, Berrymans, water/steam) might shock a lot of that junk into the cats...
Filters:
A recent "engine masters" (discovery channel program) featured a shootout among major oil filter manufacturers. The K&N Gold was their top recommendation. Rated for finer particle removal, still had full flow and min pressure drop in their tests. They didn't actually measure the particle filtration size in the test though, just flow and DP.
I've been using the Bosch Distance D3312 filter intended for the S2000 engines since the car was new. The filter is slightly longer with more filtration area than the standard size, has a higher burst pressure rating (not that that's important really), and was at the top of a ratings pile when I got the car. I have one left of the 12/case I bought in 2013, scheduled for use this coming fall, so I started looking at options. One is the standard blue Honda-branded filter, currently manufactured by Honeywell.
In one of my little spare time consulting gigs, discussions move to oil flow, temperature, filtration, and moisture content as they relate to vibration in large rotating machinery with plain or tilt-pad bearings. Amazingly, suspended particle size in the oil doesn't make a lot of difference in wear between 50- and 100-micron filters. Flow makes a difference to the point when there isn't enough to maintain a wedge/dam to float the shaft. Biggest issue by far is moisture, where not that many PPM results in vapor bubbles expanding and collapsing, interrupting that same wedge/dam that supports a shaft in a plain bearing.
So, do I need to spend up to get a 50-micron rating oil filter in my Pilot? Or will the factory-recommended 100-micron media be enough? I haven't cut open a Pilot filter in years, nor sent an oil sample for analysis as I have for some other cars. Maybe one of the joys of the Honda is that I just don't need to worry about such things. I change the oil very regularly, use a known good oil and a known good filter when I do. It seems to use virtually none between changes, otherwise runs perfectly, is great on fuel while I drive it like the old white-haired guy that I am. No reason to change what I'm doing, based on evidence gathered so far.
And, FWIW and as predicted, we are straying way far from the OP's question. I know I'm as guilty as anyone. Just sayin'...
Filters:
A recent "engine masters" (discovery channel program) featured a shootout among major oil filter manufacturers. The K&N Gold was their top recommendation. Rated for finer particle removal, still had full flow and min pressure drop in their tests. They didn't actually measure the particle filtration size in the test though, just flow and DP.
I've been using the Bosch Distance D3312 filter intended for the S2000 engines since the car was new. The filter is slightly longer with more filtration area than the standard size, has a higher burst pressure rating (not that that's important really), and was at the top of a ratings pile when I got the car. I have one left of the 12/case I bought in 2013, scheduled for use this coming fall, so I started looking at options. One is the standard blue Honda-branded filter, currently manufactured by Honeywell.
In one of my little spare time consulting gigs, discussions move to oil flow, temperature, filtration, and moisture content as they relate to vibration in large rotating machinery with plain or tilt-pad bearings. Amazingly, suspended particle size in the oil doesn't make a lot of difference in wear between 50- and 100-micron filters. Flow makes a difference to the point when there isn't enough to maintain a wedge/dam to float the shaft. Biggest issue by far is moisture, where not that many PPM results in vapor bubbles expanding and collapsing, interrupting that same wedge/dam that supports a shaft in a plain bearing.
So, do I need to spend up to get a 50-micron rating oil filter in my Pilot? Or will the factory-recommended 100-micron media be enough? I haven't cut open a Pilot filter in years, nor sent an oil sample for analysis as I have for some other cars. Maybe one of the joys of the Honda is that I just don't need to worry about such things. I change the oil very regularly, use a known good oil and a known good filter when I do. It seems to use virtually none between changes, otherwise runs perfectly, is great on fuel while I drive it like the old white-haired guy that I am. No reason to change what I'm doing, based on evidence gathered so far.
And, FWIW and as predicted, we are straying way far from the OP's question. I know I'm as guilty as anyone. Just sayin'...
I've read the Pilot tends to stay pretty clean even up there in miles. The N54 is kinda known for NEEDING walnut blasting at 50k.
3rd gen direct injection is a different animal
An animal that likes Top Tier fuels to help it stay clean.
“Top Tier” ?!? Do you work for chevron or something ? LOL
Good ol Kirkland signature gas here
You mean this "Chevron" Gas???
The Approved Top Tier fuel brands.
About - TOP TIER™
TOP TIER™ is recognized as a high-quality fuel performance specification developed by some of the leading automotive and heavy-duty equipment manufacturers.
toptiergas.com
Hey wow thank you - I watched that video on top tier and now I understand it’s not just a name brand gimmick - I m sure it’s more pricey though and considering todays prices :/You mean this "Chevron" Gas???
The Approved Top Tier fuel brands.
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About - TOP TIER™
TOP TIER™ is recognized as a high-quality fuel performance specification developed by some of the leading automotive and heavy-duty equipment manufacturers.
Oh sweet - Kirkland is on the list
I wonder if that list is too old to include “speedway”
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Curious, says Honda and Made in Japan; available in 1000 pc lots from China.
Obvious, shameless fake.
The only safe way to know your getting Genuine Honda is to buy at the dealership or a website parts department that's based in a dealership. Anywhere else could be counterfeit.
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I agree. I suspect that these Chinese made filters are the ones that you can find on EBay for a bargain price. They may be adequate filters, or maybe not. There would be no way to tell.
I know, but I’ve read they still tend to stay clean for a DI engine.
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Yep, I'm now on the bandwagon that it isn't really the oil = use any name brand full synthetic - but rather the filter - for example, perhaps Fram does impede flow - hence, I only get the filters from the dealership (and the new crush washers) (and I get a new plug once a year as well).
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last time i grabbed 5 jugs at walmart, they banned me for lifeThank you ! I’ve been wondering when they would have that rebate again . Gonna go grab four 5 quart jugs tomorow at wal
Mart
Same oil for my pilot and my wife’s Pacifica
Thank you !
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