Hmmm. I heard Gates makes a pretty good kit😂

 

I love gates kits, water pumps make noise and tensioners are short lived. More work for me, try to talk customers out of it, but some insist on using inferior parts.

 

Only if it can expand service interval to 150k or 200k

 

Well, I thought about making a poll, but I know it would be so lopsided for Aisin, I figured it would be pointless.

It's not too late, if only as an educational tool for those who might be tempted by a kit with a Gates water pump, no name tensioners or some random jobber kit from eBay.

Timing belt & water pump kit off ebay help!

Hi., Everyone I would like to ask if if this kit could actually be Honda Genuine? https://www.ebay.com/itm/9pcs-Timing-Belt-Water-Pump-Kit-For-Accord-Odyssey-Acura-MDX-V6-14400-RCA-A01/373185290611 Have anyone used any Honda Genuine parts from ebay or allpartsdiscount.com? My pilot is 146k...

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Woohoo, it's now a poll. First in!

 

I gues TB WP kits not as exciting as an ATF poll. ¯\(ツ)/¯

 

I only Voted Aisin b/c I learned it was among the best from this forum, have not use any yet.

And After watching a good video on all the steps to do a TB/WP/tensioner replacement, with removing the front motor mount, new coolant, etc.

I may never do one! LOL

 

Really not that bad. Especially now on 3rd gen. No power steering pump to remove and the drive tensioner and pulley does not have to be removed.

 

Thanks, Does she need any tools or is it easy to slip into place by hand (without disconnecting anything either)?

The Pilots aren't near me at the moment, so I can't check.

 

No tools, lift and slide into place. May take some effort since the hose is connected.

 

Just to add to this comment since there were a couple of votes for Gates TB WP kits. A family members Acura TL had Gates installed for its 1st TB WP change at 100k. It didn't make 50k miles before it started leaking. I don't blame the pump. The gasket went flat, loosing it's integrity.

 

Do those who voted for the Aisin kit really think that it is the "best" - as in better performing than the OEM Honda parts?

 

Let's see what you get in the kit...

• Timing Belt Mitsuboshi, an OEM supplier.
• Water Pump by Aisin, an OEM supplier.
• Timing Belt Tensioner by Aisin, an OEM supplier.
• Tensioner Pulley by Koyo, an OEM supplier
• Idler Pulley by Koyo, an OEM supplier.

I don't believe your loosing anything by going with an Aisin kit. Your gaining quite a bit of money in your pocket with no greater risk by buying Honda OEM. IMO, it's a no brainer.

 

Thought I'd share this here on Piloteers.

Honda V6 AISIN TKH-002 Timing Belt Kit – My review

Objective: Provide a side-by-side comparison of the Factory Original Honda parts compared to the parts found in the AISIN kit, pictures included below. Spoiler/Conclusion: I highly recommend the AISIN kit. Same OEM parts. Different packaging. Way less cost. Read on for the details and view...

bobistheoilguy.com

 

My only thought on Aisin vs oem, is: Oem provides you the warranty of Honda, will Aisin help if there is an issue? Say the waterpump locks up 200 miles after install and breaks the belt and causes engine damage, will Aisin step up? Honda will, only seen it once, but Honda paid 100% of the repair bill.
Even though Aisin makes oem parts, there is always proprietary tech not allowed to be used when that mfgr makes it for non oem. On these parts, probably not meaningful. Why are the water pump impellers different color oem vs non oem? Maybe just to tell oem vs non oem, but also might mean other differences, only Aisin probably knows.

 

My only thought on Aisin vs oem, is: Oem provides you the warranty of Honda, will Aisin help if there is an issue? Say the waterpump locks up 200 miles after install and breaks the belt and causes engine damage, will Aisin step up? Honda will, only seen it once, but Honda paid 100% of the repair bill.

If I feared this, then I would have to give up installing parts on any of my vehicles. Even if I bought OEM, and the part failed, it be doubtful that Honda would guarantee it because a Honda dealership didn't perform the work.

Even though Aisin makes oem parts, there is always proprietary tech not allowed to be used when that mfgr makes it for non oem. On these parts, probably not meaningful. Why are the water pump impellers different color oem vs non oem? Maybe just to tell oem vs non oem, but also might mean other differences, only Aisin probably knows.

I've noticed the impeller color difference. This Aisin water pump (Top). Prestone Multi Vehicle Coolant did a fine job protecting it. This has been sitting out in the open air for several months and has not a hint of corrosion on it. I question if the Honda Pump (Bottom) was made by Aisin. It's stamped ICO or ICD.
I see no reason to fear the quality of Aisin aftermarket parts.

 

I hate to pile on Gates more, but I will.

This was part of a kit where the Gates water pump gasket failed (post #17).

 

To my horror, I just discovered that I'd been pronouncing it wrong, in my head and out loud, all this time. At first, I thought it was just the handsy yet decapitated narrator's hybrid Glasgow-Amsterdam accent, but then realized that I, among most Piloteers, have little excuse for not knowing better: アイシン.

 

I couldn't say Aisin the way he's saying it if I tried. Lol
Great video!

 

"eye-shin"

knees and toes, knees and toes

 

too-mā-toe / too-măt-toe
Either way....

 

Last year I had the timing belt done at a reputable shop that was recommended by friends because I just needed it fast before ski season started. It just now occurred to me that I never asked them what kit they would use... Looked at the invoice, it says TKH002 which is the part number for the Aisin kit. Whew, okay I feel better.

 

I’d still investigate further. Some sellers may use the item number but not the Aisin name. Was the kit genuine Aisin?

 

2011 Honda Pilot Timing Belt job.
@RockAuto gots what I needed.

Aisin TKH-002 ^

 

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Well, I thought about making a poll, but I know it would be so lopsided for Aisin, I figured it would be pointless.
I was talked into turning this into a poll. Enjoy! 😃
Let me know to add more choices.
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Exim Engineering is a reliable supplier of high-quality machined timing belt pulleys, molded pulleys, timing belts, sprockets, and chains at affordable prices for wide variety of OEMs.

 

This is a bump to remind the newer community that Aisin still reigns as #1 for the DIYer . No need to question the quality. Question your installer.

 

My engine failed last year after the tensioner went out I. Finally got a new engine in it has 138k miles but the tensioner is starting to make the NOISE when I first start it up in the morning so ima probably do the timing job because idk if this engine has had it done yet and seeing the reviews ima try out the aisian kit because I bought a kit from eBay possibly a OEM one from Honda in reality. It was a fake one and a couple months later, boom engine failed car has 256k miles so this new engine ima make it last me a while

 

2003-04 Aisin TKH-001
2005-22 Aisin TKH-002
To avoid fakes, I’d purchase from a reputable supplier. A lot of us use RockAuto.

 

I'll offer my opinion. Had a 2007 Pilot and had used a Gates water pump. That failed after less than a 1,000 miles.

Just replaced our 2017 Pilot @ 150K miles. Everything still appeared to look/feel OK but I know I was on borrowed time. I did the Aisin route. Got it through Amazon ~$178 (Sold & Delivered by). Note the bearings are no longer Koyo but Jtetk (name changed due to a merger). The "kit" was well packaged and all the components still look and feel like what came out. Oddly enough, the tensioner matched all the markings that came out of the 2007 Pilot. So, the Aisin "brand" isn't a fly by night company, they've been around for a while.

 

JTEKT Koyo Same Same

• JTEKT Corporation was formed in 2006 through the merger of Koyo Seiko Co., Ltd., a world-class bearing manufacturer, and Toyoda Machine Works, Ltd., a machine tool manufacturer.
• Koyo was previously a distinct and well-known brand specializing in bearings.
• In 2022, Koyo Bearings was rebranded as JTEKT Bearingsto unify the company's global market presence.

 

And don’t accidentally loosen and/or retighten oil pump bolts without applying rtv. Leaky oil pump bolts, oil on any timing belt is a recipe for disaster. Can’t always blame the parts. See example here…

https://www.piloteers.org/posts/1686630/