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The VCM mega thread - what is VCM, does my vehicle have it, what's so bad about it, and more

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This thread explains all the key details regarding VCM. Rather than re-explaining everything about VCM to every new forum member, they can simply be directed here. Self-service FTW!

While there will be plenty of discussion in this thread, this first post contains the key information, so reading the rest of the thread (many pages) is not necessary. However, feel free to contribute to the discussion if you choose.

Although this is posted in the 2009-11 Pilot forum, the information here can be applied to all Pilots 2006 and newer.

Table of Contents:
1: What is VCM?
2: Does my Pilot have VCM?
3: Are there different versions of VCM?
4: How can I tell when VCM is active?
5: What's so bad about VCM?
6: I've owned several VCM vehicles and never had any issues. What's going on here?
7: If VCM is so bad, why does Honda still use it? Will Honda help me with my VCM related problems?
8: Okay. After reading this, I don't want VCM enabled on my vehicle. How do I disable it?
9: How do these disable devices work?
10: Are there differences between the disable devices?
11: Which VCM disable device should I purchase?
12: Will installing a VCM disable device void my warranty?
13: My car already has damaged piston rings, fouled spark plugs, and/or misfires. The dealer is quoting me an expensive piston ring replacement job. What can I do from here?
14: What are some other common issues to watch out for that can be caused by the effects of VCM?
15: Can I trust my engine to be reliable after disabling VCM?

Unfortunately, this forum does not support linking to sections, but if you only need the information from one of the sections listed above, feel free to scroll to that section.

There are similar threads on both OdyClub and DriveAccord that you can check out if you own one of those vehicles.

What is VCM?
VCM stands for Variable Cylinder Management. It is a technology introduced in 2005 that is present in many Honda V6 engines. It shuts off some cylinders in the V6 in situations where the full power of all cylinders is not needed in order to save fuel.

The technical explanation is that this is accomplished by using a solenoid controlled by oil pressure to unlock the cam followers from the rocker arms, which closes the valves and prevents them from opening throughout the piston stroke, stopping the combustion cycle in those cylinders. On engines with hydraulic valve tappets, rather than this system, the tappets are simply depressurized. Fuel injection is also disabled in the disabled cylinders.

Besides the mechanical components in the engine to allow VCM operation, there are other components in the system. The most important component to know about is the active control engine mounts. When cylinders are disabled, it creates vibration from the motor, which the active mounts are designed to dampen so that you can't feel it in the cabin. Another part of the system is Active Noise Cancellation (ANC), which cancels noise from VCM by playing white noise through the vehicle's speakers.

Does my Pilot have VCM?
Honda introduced VCM to the Pilot in the 2006 model year beginning with the 2006 Pilot (only the 2WD model), and it has been used in Pilots and several other V6 Hondas ever since. Here is a list of Pilots that are equipped with VCM:

2006-08 - VCM is present on 2WD models only

2009 and up - VCM is present on all models

Are there different versions of VCM?
Yes. There are currently 4 different revisions of VCM:

VCM-1: The initial revision of VCM. It is capable of shutting off the rear bank of cylinders (cylinders 1-3).

VCM-2: The second and most problematic revision of VCM. It is capable of shutting off the rear bank of cylinders (cylinders 1-3) just like VCM-1, and it is also capable of shutting off one cylinder (cylinder 3) in the rear bank and one cylinder in the front bank (cylinder 4) at the same time, which means that VCM-2 affects an extra cylinder compared to VCM-1 and puts even more stress on cylinder 3.

VCM-3: The third revision. It is similar to VCM-1 in that it is only capable of shutting off cylinders 1-3.

VCM-4: The fourth and newest revision. Not much is known about this revision, but like VCM-3, it only shuts off cylinders 1-3. One key difference is unlike its predecessors that used varied camshaft profiles controlled by a solenoid, VCM-4 depressurizes hydraulic valve tappets to reach the same result of keeping the valves closed.

Different model year Pilots are equipped with different VCM revisions:

2006-2008 Pilots that are VCM-equipped (see the last section) have VCM-1

All 2009-2015 Pilots have VCM-2

All 2016-2022 Pilots have VCM-3

All 2023+ Pilots have VCM-4

How can I tell when VCM is active?
You may be interested in figuring out when VCM is active. On 2006-15 Pilots, you may be able to feel/hear it as there may be vibrations. You will also see the green ECO light illuminate on the dashboard. However, while it is not common, it is possible for this light to be on even when VCM is not active. On 2016+ Pilots, it's a little trickier, as there is no ECO light like the older models. You'll just have to listen carefully and feel for it. Even then, it may be difficult.

Note that the ECO light will not come on and VCM will be disabled when a Check Engine Light is on for any reason.

A common misconception is the ECON mode button and the corresponding dash light on newer Pilots controlling VCM. The ECON mode has nothing to do with VCM. It affects things like shift points and throttle response to increase fuel economy.

What's so bad about VCM?
While VCM is a great idea in theory, in practice it has major issues.

During VCM operation, the valves on the disabled cylinders are closed off while the piston continues to move up and down. This creates a vacuum effect in the cylinder, allowing some oil to get sucked past the piston rings into the combustion chamber. This oil continues to collect in the combustion chamber until VCM disengages, at which point the cylinder must burn off the oil before resuming normal operation. This is one way that VCM can cause burning oil.

When VCM is used repeatedly for long periods of time, it can also cause the piston rings to get gummed up with buildup, preventing a good seal and allowing oil to get past the rings into the combustion chamber even when VCM is not operating. This is another way that VCM can cause burning oil.

Oil burning can cause oil fouling of the spark plugs, leading to misfires. The oil burning combined with the misfires will destroy your catalytic converters (not cheap to replace!) over time.

Besides these internal engine problems, VCM operation also puts stress on the active control engine mounts, causing them to wear out fast. These engine mounts are not cheap. One single mount can cost several hundred dollars in parts alone.

Simply put, VCM is gambling on your engine for a gain of 1-2 MPG at best. Gas is cheaper than an engine, especially given the very slight MPG difference.

This great video by speedkar99 shows a VCM engine taken apart so you can see how the parts of the system work together and how they cause problems. If you're interested, take a look:

I've owned several VCM vehicles and never had any issues. What's going on here?
These VCM problems are not consistent. Many factors play in to what (if any) problems you may see and at what severity. People who drove their vehicles hard when they were new have typically had fewer issues later on. People with VCM-1, VCM-3, and VCM-4 may experience fewer problems simply because there are fewer situations where VCM can engage and it will stay engaged for less time. But as mentioned in the previous section, the MPG gained is minimal at best, so what's the point in risking it?

If VCM is so bad, why does Honda still use it? Will Honda help me with my VCM related problems?
Honda would not spend the time and money to develop VCM unnecessarily. They're using VCM because it gets them CAFE credits from the EPA if they can maximize MPG on their vehicles. Without it, they'd be hit by penalties that would add up quickly given the large amount of vehicles that they sell.

Honda still refuses to acknowledge any problems with the VCM system as doing so would defeat the purpose as they would get in further trouble with the EPA. While there was a class action lawsuit against them regarding VCM, they settled it by offering an extended warranty on the piston rings (which they claimed were the actual cause of the problem) for 2008-2013 vehicles equipped with VCM. This warranty is now well past the expiration if you were lucky enough to be covered by it, and 2008-2013 doesn't cover a large chunk of VCM vehicles that are still affected. While Honda dealerships will sometimes offer goodwill consideration for a piston ring replacement job on these vehicles, the cost can still be somewhat high, and because it's such a big, complex job, there's a good chance that more problems may be caused by technicians tearing apart the engine and putting it back together incorrectly. Some owners have experienced this in the past.

And for what it's worth, Honda has been phasing out VCM by simply phasing out the J-series V6 altogether. They're moving more towards the turbocharged 2.0L engine as seen in the 10th generation Accord. No more V6 = no more VCM. But then you get all the fun associated with a turbocharged engine. You win some, you lose some.

Honda has a new DOHC V6 design that debuted in the 2021 Acura TLX Type-S. Despite being a fairly significant redesign, VCM is equipped on this engine as well.

Okay. After reading this, I don't want VCM enabled on my vehicle. How do I disable it?
Good choice. Unfortunately, with the exception of VCM being inactive whenever a check engine light is on, Honda cannot include any built in disable switch for VCM because they wouldn't get the CAFE credits if they did. This means you must install an aftermarket device (also known as a VCM "muzzler"). However, do not worry. Installation is quite simple and an inexperienced user could likely install one in 15 minutes or less. All the devices come with good instructions for installation and don't require much in terms of tools (depending on which type you choose, you might not need any tools at all).

How do these disable devices work?
All these VCM disable devices work on the same concept: altering the coolant temperature reading sent to the computer to ensure that the reading never gets to 167 degrees Fahrenheit or higher.

By doing this, the computer thinks the engine is not fully warmed up yet, and it is programmed to not engage VCM until the engine has warmed up in order to ensure that excess wear is not caused by disabling cylinders on a cold engine, so it does not engage VCM. However, this does not affect the actual operating temperature of your engine, only the temperature reading the computer sees. And it is not a very significant change either.

Also, only the reading for one of the temperature sensors (known as ECT1, short for Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor 1) is altered. The other (ECT2) is left intact, so cooling fans will still operate normally, because cooling fans are controlled by ECT2 and are not at all affected by the ECT1 reading. Air/fuel ratio has also been found to be unaffected by using a VCM disable device. In fact, the only difference you'll notice is that your coolant temperature gauge may sit slightly lower than before when fully warmed up. However, there is no need to worry, as you will still be able to tell if your engine is overheating, as the gauge will still rise to hot like it would before.

There are absolutely no long-term risks of using a VCM disable device. In fact, there are more long-term risks if you don't use one.

Are there differences between the disable devices?
Yes. There are differences in features and compatibility.

The most important difference is that each disable device has a 2005-2006 version and a 2007+ version. These are not interchangeable. The Pilot is a little weird about this in terms of compatibility, so if you have a 2006-2008 Pilot, you will need the 2005-2006 version, and if you have a 2009+ Pilot, you will need the 2007+ version. However, the particular VCM version your vehicle has does not affect this. A 2009 Pilot would use the same muzzler as a 2016 Pilot despite the latter having VCM-3 and the former having VCM-2.

Also, while all the disable devices work on the same concept, they accomplish it in different ways.

There are two categories for muzzlers: passive and active.

Passive muzzlers are good because they're cheaper, but they also require manual adjustment as the climate changes and are more like VCM suppressors rather than true VCM disablers, as they only disable VCM 90-95% of the time. VCM may come on briefly if you are in stop and go traffic.

Active muzzlers are more expensive than passive muzzlers but they are completely automatic. After installation (which is slightly more difficult as you must run a wire to the battery), adjustment is completely automatic using a microcontroller with no user input required, and VCM is disabled 100% of the time. Active muzzlers also usually are capable of turning themselves off in a real overheating situation so that you will be able to see the car overheating on the temperature gauge even faster than with a passive muzzler. The VCMTuner II also supports turning itself off if the car is detected to be idling. This is useful for some service procedures such as idle relearns where the computer needs an accurate temperature reading.

Generally active muzzlers are recommended over the passive variant, but if you cannot purchase an active muzzler for whatever reason, the passive muzzlers are still better than nothing if you can live with adjusting it every now and then and VCM coming on occasionally.

Which VCM disable device should I purchase?
There are 5 different recommended disable devices. They are recommended because they are made by trusted, well-known individuals and they have excellent customer service should you encounter a problem with them. Here they are, arranged from least expensive to most expensive along with where you can get them or view the exact price:

MaxMuzzler - Send a private message to maxud and he will get back to you as soon as he can

VCMuzzler II - Send a private message to @verbatim, or if you can't, reply to this thread and verbatim will get back to you as soon as he can

VCMTuner - vcmtuner.com

S-VCM - svcmcontroller.com - Note that the S-VCM has been known to fail after some time (usually at most a couple years give or take) due to using lower quality components. While they can still be effective products, if you are looking for maximum possible reliability, you may want to purchase a VCMTuner II instead, which is made with higher quality components and rarely ever fails.

VCMTuner II - vcmtuner.com - Due to supplies issues, every Monday morning (sans holidays), the VCMTuner II goes on sale at 9:00 AM Pacific. It sells out fast so be ready at 9:00 AM Pacific on Mondays to order one.

The following muzzlers are passive muzzlers:
MaxMuzzler (adjustable through resistance dial)
VCMuzzler II (adjustable through included swappable resistors)
VCMTuner (adjustable through resistance dial)

The following muzzlers are active muzzlers:
S-VCM
VCMTuner II

The VCMTuner and VCMTuner II are both CARB compliant, meaning that if you live in a CARB emissions state such as California or Washington, you should have no issues buying one and keeping it on for inspections and other work, and if anyone gives you a hard time about it, they come with a sticker showing the CARB compliance.

The choice of which type of muzzler and which specific muzzler you get for your vehicle is up to you. Consider the various factors as well as your specific situation to make your decision.

Will installing a VCM disable device void my warranty?
Installing a VCM disable device should not void your warranty. Many members have left their disable devices on when taking their vehicles to the dealership for service, and it has either gone unnoticed or noticed and ignored. As a matter of fact, in some cases the dealerships have even endorsed the device. However, if you are concerned about it, you can easily remove the disable device before you take it in for service and reinstall it afterwards with no harm done.

My car already has damaged piston rings, fouled spark plugs, and/or misfires. The dealer is quoting me an expensive piston ring replacement job. What can I do from here?
Even if your car already has one or more of those issues, it's NEVER too late for this.

Installing a VCM disable device and replacing all of the spark plugs should allow the piston rings to free up over time, and your engine should return to normal operation with VCM no longer engaging.

While some people may give you a long laundry list of things to do to resolve the problem, in practice you rarely need to do anything extra besides disabling VCM and replacing any fouled plugs.

In very extreme cases, it is often suggested to add some Chevron Techron or equivalent to your gas tank and drive the car aggressively (hard acceleration is good, though wait until the engine warms up to do this) for a while to help free up the piston rings.

The bottom line is that you do not need to pay for an expensive piston ring replacement job and there's not much VCM damage that can't be undone. It is actually recommended to avoid the piston ring replacement job as not only is it expensive, but dealership technicians are known to frequently cause further issues when completely tearing down the engine for the job and putting it back together, leaving your engine in even worse shape than it already is. There are members of this forum who can attest to this.

What are some other common issues to watch out for that can be caused by the effects of VCM?
There are some other issues that can come up that are seemingly unrelated to VCM, but they are indeed caused by VCM. It's important to disable VCM before fixing these things as otherwise the problem may return. Here are some of these problems:

Torque Converter Damage:
Many owners of VCM-3 equipped Pilots have reported damage caused to their torque converter due to the effects of VCM. When VCM was active, vibrations and increased slippage in the torque converter put more abuse on the transmission, leading to premature breakdown of the transmission fluid, resulting in transmission damage.

Torn Intake Hose:
It is common (especially on VCM-2 equipped vehicles, but this can be an issue on most J series engines) for the main intake hose to tear, causing issues with rough idle and stalling, especially when shifting into different gears. The cause of this issue is worn motor mounts from VCM operation. Once the motor mounts fail, there is excessive engine movement, which easily tears the intake hose. The complete fix to this is to replace the intake hose and inspect the motor mounts (replacing if needed) after disabling VCM.

Worn/Pitted Camshafts:
Many VCM-2 engines are known to have issues with the camshaft (typically the front bank camshaft) wearing out prematurely causing a ticking sound. Disabling VCM early can help prevent this, but it's still possible that it could happen later on, especially if VCM was active for a large number of miles.

Spool Valve Oil Leak/Fried Alternator:
VCM-2 engines are also equipped with a spool valve in the front cylinder head to enable disabling cylinder 4. This spool valve is positioned in a spot that causes oil leakage from it to go straight into the alternator that is positioned directly below it. Unfortunately, disabling VCM does not mean this spool valve will not eventually leak down the road as it will still be holding back oil pressure.

It is highly recommended that you occasionally monitor this area and get it fixed as soon as possible once you notice even a small leak from it to avoid damage to your alternator.

Lack of low end power:
If you drive a non-VCM engine and a VCM engine, you may notice that the non-VCM engine feels like it has more power, especially at lower RPMs. This is not really an issue as much as a consequence of the design of VCM.

Due to the way VCM works, engines equipped with VCM-1 or VCM-2 are not equipped with Honda's classic VTEC. This can manifest itself as a lack of low end power.

Can I trust my engine to be reliable after disabling VCM?
Yes. As long as you do regular maintenance like you would with any other car, once you disable VCM, your engine will be just as reliable as a Honda engine that doesn't have VCM. Enjoy the ride with all 6 cylinders working all the time!
 
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Thanks. That's what I need guys like you for. I don't own a Pilot and don't frequent these forums so I have no clue what some of these more Pilot-specific issues are.
 
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Not a Pilot, but my Accord with VCMTuner II averaged about 32mpg on a recent trip, exceeding the highway EPA spec of 30mpg.
 
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i suppose if their car was that messed up and was getting like 14mpg and jumped to 17 mpg i could buy the story, but if it was already around baseline and jumped 3mpg by working harder and using all the cylinders its hard for me to believe. also hard to believe someone would leave bad spark plugs and just disable the vcm / shrug .. i have only read 100's of people saying it hurt their gas mileage and one or two ever saying it helped. i guess those are the people who dont change plugs? would also be nice to know which models are most effected by this vcm issue.

i see the op joined this site just to make this post, here is their vcm thread from their minivan

interesting post from that thread..
"""My question was if ISS or AIS does NOT contribute towards CAFE/EPA MPG test, then why would companies implement it in their cars. IF it does contribute (which I am GUESSING it does), then how do they "get away" by having a button to disable the feature.
Also, IF they CAN have the button to disable the feature yet count towards EPA test, then why VCM can't have such "button" to disable it (although it may auto "arm" itself after every restart of the car, but rigging the system to auto engage the switch may be FAR easier than current "work around" method to disable VCM. Just saying. (like that new ECO button - I understand that it does NOT disable VCM, but why not? was my question) ""

also says EPA tests get 3mpg better with the vcm which is exactly the same as me. just excited for winter gas prices but of course in the winter i will get worse gas mileage as well :p 4x4 in the snow never makes for good mpg.

as stated before, i dont believe that switching to less cylinders will ever decrease the gas mileage on the highway, but you can have your Opinion (unless you have some kind of facts to base it off)
 
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Paging mods to add this as a sticky. Don't want it getting buried.
 
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I just bought a 2011 Pilot EXL with 145k that just had $4k put into the engine for piston ring replacement and basically engine rebuild with a lot of other maintenance things done to it. After reading this sticky, I talked to the previous owner that said the Honda dealership didn't mention anything about the class action lawsuit or any assistance from Honda for this known problem created from the VCM.

I didn't realize all of the other issues that could happen from the VCM, but I'm gonna get the muzzler so more problems won't arise. Crazy to think the $4k wasn't needed, but I'm glad that I got it vehicle after the repairs (about 4k miles since, no issues, runs great). Even with VCM, I get 17mpg city, 19 hwy, can't wait to see what I get after.
I also have a 2008 Ody that has 340k and running strong with VCM that's active very often, and gets 24mpg. Luck of the draw I guess.
 
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UPDATE:
I purchased the S-VCM controller for two Pilots, a 2011 and a 2012. The 2011 is what I referenced in the original post with 145K after a full engine rebuild, getting about 17 MPG City and 19 highway. After installing the S-VCM, no check engine lights came on or really anything, but no eco light either. After 3 months and 3,500 mi, still going strong. I get about 16 MPG City and about 20 highway, so take that for what it's worth since I get worse mileage in the city but better on the highway which doesn't make sense.

On the 2012, that one was burning oil consistently and fouling plugs to the point of getting new plugs every oil change, and about a quart low every 3,000 mi with no leaks. Also had a rough idle and other little quirks. After the S-VCM, now it has gone a full 3,000 miles with no loss of oil and plugs still look great! That one also has a similar MPG of 17 City and 21 highway, which is down about 1 MPG for both city and highway. But the quality of life improvement is worth it, especially since it also cleaned up the rough idle and feels like a new vehicle again!

I just bought a 2011 Pilot EXL with 145k that just had $4k put into the engine for piston ring replacement and basically engine rebuild with a lot of other maintenance things done to it. After reading this sticky, I talked to the previous owner that said the Honda dealership didn't mention anything about the class action lawsuit or any assistance from Honda for this known problem created from the VCM.

I didn't realize all of the other issues that could happen from the VCM, but I'm gonna get the muzzler so more problems won't arise. Crazy to think the $4k wasn't needed, but I'm glad that I got it vehicle after the repairs (about 4k miles since, no issues, runs great). Even with VCM, I get 17mpg city, 19 hwy, can't wait to see what I get after.
I also have a 2008 Ody that has 340k and running strong with VCM that's active very often, and gets 24mpg. Luck of the draw I guess.
 
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My VCM disabler has been on my car for only about 3 weeks. I don't have enough miles on it since installation to really have any real sense of any mileage differences between having it enabled and driving it as stock. This car is basically a garage queen and may see 4000 miles a year. But after doing what I considered my due diligence I came to the conclusion that a VCM disabler is a very wise choice. In my particular case (low overall mileage), the loss and cost of 1 or 2 mpg over time seems in line with cost of a new ring job and/or motor mounts. All at the same time of having a car that drives and feels so much better.

I guess someone could do the match.
 
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My VCM disabler has been on my car for only about 3 weeks.
Did you notice a smoother idle? When I first put mine in, I kept checking to make sure the engine was still running because it wasn't shaking like it usually did. I guess VCM kicks in at idle, but without the indicator lighting up. Also much, much smoother cruising along at 80 on the highway. It felt like a whole different car.

Oh, and I used to occasionally get random puffs of oily smoke out of the exhaust when I started the car. The dealership couldn't figure it out because it was intermittent and I couldn't reproduce it. Apparently that was VCM too, hasn't happened once in the 18 months since I installed it. I forget what the mechanics of it are, but I read that the cylinders not firing allows oil to accumulate in them or something, and then when the car starts with all that oil it all burns off.

Good riddance.
 
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Be prepared, there is a decent chance it may fail a few years down the road. Seen it quite a bit with the S-VCM unfortunately. The symptoms it usually exhibits is strange temperature gauge behavior and stalling.
 
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I installed S-VCM and initially it rides smoother, it shifts smoother and coasting longer without engine brake effects, and definitely more power with less gas pedal use until yesterday.

Yesterday, I unplug the battery negative terminal and plug it back in within 2 minutes just tried out to see how it's done before leaving for a long term trip. (practice for the first time)

Now for some reason, it felt the same as before installing the SVCM. Jerky trasmission at certain gears, soft gas pedal and etc. It just feels like VCM is active again just like it went back to the way it was before the install.

Does anyone know the reason why or if this has anything to with the battery resetting? How to make it work again?

Thank you in advance
 
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I installed S-VCM and initially it rides smoother, it shifts smoother and coasting longer without engine brake effects, and definitely more power with less gas pedal use until yesterday.

Yesterday, I unplug the battery negative terminal and plug it back in within 2 minutes just tried out to see how it's done before leaving for a long term trip. (practice for the first time)

Now for some reason, it felt the same as before installing the SVCM. Jerky trasmission at certain gears, soft gas pedal and etc. It just feels like VCM is active again just like it went back to the way it was before the install.

Does anyone know the reason why or if this has anything to with the battery resetting? How to make it work again?

Thank you in advance
Often when the battery is disconnected the car has to "re-learn" the way you drive. It sounds weird, but the car learns your driving habits and behaves accordingly. Give it some time and it should fix itself.
 
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Never updated the thread to reflect the 2023+ Pilot. Finally went ahead and did that now.

I don't know if the new implementation of VCM with the hydraulic valve tappets warrants considering it a new revision of VCM (VCM-3.5 or VCM-4), since it does still deactivate bank 1 only like VCM-3 does, only difference is how it accomplishes that. For now, I'm considering it as still VCM-3, but I'm open to input on this.
 
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I am new to the Pilot group and my 2011 Pilot is the first Honda I’ve owned which I picked up in Nov 2022.
I knew it had a few front end pieces needing some attention. After I completed those repairs, I was still experiencing some odd noises and vibrations so feared I may have a bigger issue going like a transmission etc.

So I found and joined this group and oh my !! Was it too good to be true it was as easy as disabling the VCM-2? Well it sure had its issues more CONS than Pros, so a few weeks ago after reviewing several discussions including this one, I went with the SVCM. Night and Day !! Although previous owner recently replaced ALL wheel hub assemblies, I was still hearing all kinds of odd noises and vibrations which didn’t make much sense. Once I installed SVCM, almost ALL of them are gone. Especially the rear howl which its my understanding was prob the VCM and noises traveling down through the transfer case etc.

Although VCM was a good idea, VCM-2 was upon the worst version to date. Besides not knowing fully what temperature you may be running at, I can not see how this little device can be blamed for ANY engine or component failure !! The SVCM module claims to have enough smarts in this event, it would shutoff . We all know when the Idiot light comes on, some sort of damage may have already occurred.

Again I didn’t buy it to help with MPG, long term solution to ALL the negatives the VCM-2 presented. I am not in the market in replacing a failed motor, replacing spark plugs or adding oil. I pulled Diags and found an instance of a cyl #3 misfire so hard telling what was coming my way.

Saving all the added vibrations & stress to very expensive motor mounts, to vibrations to the transmission and Drive Train is a plus. My son who is a new driver could tell a Night and Day DIFF and so far I am not seeing any loss of MPG, honesty feel it might have improved slightly (Me being wishful).

Thanks for the support ! If any thing changes from this post I will let you all know (good or Bad)
 
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I also purchased my 2011 in november 22 just like you... and SVCM has been a game changer. My mileage for my first 1000 miles was 17.8 and since SVCM install, I'm getting 18.5 over 1500 miles. Unsure if this is indicative of better mpg, but it certainly isn't worse.

Like you most of my vibrations are gone, but I still sometime feel a little shudder when letting off the gas. My next service will be changing out to maxlife ATF in the spring. Good luck with your new vehicle!
 
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After some deliberation, I have decided (at least for now), to classify VCM in the J35Y8 as VCM-4, and the megathread has been updated to reflect this.

When more is known about the new implementation, this may change, but for now, too much about the engine has changed to assume that it's very similar to VCM-3.
 
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Plenty of people have. But it's Scotty Kilmer, nobody cares.
 
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Aftermarket mounts will be lower quality, but you could use them.
 
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Passive motor mounts work great on a VCM-disabled J35. What folks on Odyclub do for the 3rd gen is disable them and then convert to the OEM passive mounts from models that didn't come with VCM.
 
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Really even just driving it hard for a while does wonders to reverse VCM damage. Additives can help speed it up, but I personally wouldn't say there's one that should be used.
 
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#54 ·
2011 Pilot here and had the famous VCM issued and I managed to get Honda to fix it for free except the timing belt which I decided to do and pay for it since they took the engine apart anyway.
Now, with this VCM dealer repair can I keep VCM enabled on my vehicle. Or do I still have to disable it? Would the VCM issue comeback even after the dealer repair? I have 164K on it and the repair was done at around 145K

Thanks in advance
 
#55 ·
2011 Pilot here and had the famous VCM issued and I managed to get Honda to fix it for free except the timing belt which I decided to do and pay for it since they took the engine apart anyway.
Now, with this VCM dealer repair can I keep VCM enabled on my vehicle. Or do I still have to disable it? Would the VCM issue comeback even after the dealer repair? I have 164K on it and the repair was done at around 145K

Thanks in advance
Did you read the thread? The dealer repair is a complete waste, even when free. All it does is treat the symptoms, not the issue, so you will eventually have the issue down the road if you leave it enabled.
 
owns 2006 Honda Odyssey EX
#56 ·
Thanks Sir. Yes I read it but I wasn't sure, so better ask again just to be sure. I will install the mod ASAP. Thanks again
 
#58 ·
Definitely possible and something I was thinking about. You would hope Honda learned from the failures of others but you never know these days. Only time will tell.

Hopefully at some point we learn more about VCM-4, there's really not a lot we know at the moment.
 
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#59 ·
Hey guys great sticky re: VCM. i just picked up a 2011 EX-L that the wife wanted in the color she wanted for a great price

I just ordered the VCM tuner from VCMTUNER for 2007+ Honda 3.5L I-VTEC - Disable VCM / ECO mode

And what i did not see in their description is how does the PCM know when to turn the cooling fans on?

Well because of this sticky i got my answer, the ECT2 is what controls the fans .

Glad to know the VCM disable is satisfying Pilot owners