[gormleyflyer]

Just had my injectors replaced under extended warranty. Truck was in the dealership 4 times in the last 3 months for the same issue. Dealer kept resetting the computer stating I use bad gas even though I told them otherwise. On my fourth trip to the dealer I brought every receipt for fuel since day 1 I took ownership of the new truck. I keep logs of KM's driven per day and the only place I get fuel is Shell and it's premium without Ethanol.

I had to help the service manger close his mouth when he looked over my records. They finally replaced O2 Sensors, Injectors, Cat converter and it seems better. My RPM's fluctuate like others however I believe that's related to the transmission fluid needing to be changed.

I have 73,000 KM on the truck which I bought brand new and I can't believe how frustrating it's been at the dealer. When I bought the extended warranty I was thinking I wasted money; but thankfully I'm covered to 120KM.....Thinking I need to pay to extended to 200KM!

the dealer experience in Canada is just horrible. People are running from Honda because of this. Diagnostic fee's for all warranty / blame the customer. It's infuriating. Glad you had the extended warranty and kept the gas receipts. I can't believe they balked and pushed back at you for what is a known problem with this engine in all models. Are you in GTA area ?

 

[Jazz-e]

I'm in Newmarket so relatively close to the GTA. Yes my experience has been poor and I feel bad others at the counter when paying bills for diagnosis the dealer still can't fix the errors.

When I walk into the dealer pretty much all the service technician's call me by name. Either they have really good customer service or I've been a regular customer for all the wrong reasons!

 

[gormleyflyer]

I'm in Newmarket so relatively close to the GTA. Yes my experience has been poor and I feel bad others at the counter when paying bills for diagnosis the dealer still can't fix the errors.

When I walk into the dealer pretty much all the service technician's call me by name. Either they have really good customer service or I've been a regular customer for all the wrong reasons!

We are neighbours - The Stouffville dealership is owned by the same people.

 

[Pairallel]

I was at my dealer for service on my CR-V last week, and happened to ask if they were seeing fuel injector problems with the Pilots. The Service Adviser said they are seeing a lot of them, and that Honda is extending the warranty on fuel injectors to 80,000 miles.

Has anyone else heard this, or seen anything in writing confirming this?

Either way, I'm happy because I know my dealer will cover me at least until 80k miles now....

 

[jneel43]

I was at my dealer for service on my CR-V last week, and happened to ask if they were seeing fuel injector problems with the Pilots. The Service Adviser said they are seeing a lot of them, and that Honda is extending the warranty on fuel injectors to 80,000 miles.

Has anyone else heard this, or seen anything in writing confirming this?

Either way, I'm happy because I know my dealer will cover me at least until 80k miles now....

 

[hondapiston]

Got multiple warning lights and warning messages last week around 41.5 K. Dealer reset code, said it was cylinder misfires and asked to report back it the problem happened again. It did, this week. Took it back to the dealer and they said they are replacing the fuel injectors.

Apparently, they now have updated or upgraded fuel injectors from Honda and they should fix the problem.

Interesting that this problem happens around 41 or 42K for many folks here.

 

[MtMan]

Bump..

 

[Joe Honda]

Dealer stated needed new fuel injectors on my 2016 EXL with 80,000 miles. Quoted $1750.00 for the repair. Decided to perform replacement with my capable husband at a cost of $375. for new injectors. All 6 injectors were black with carbon. Repair went well with the aid of a youtube video. Still having issues with the engine missing on acceleration. Any advice? Could it be transmission?

Order the BlueDriver OBD2 reader and see what engine codes its throwing?

 

[Schleggo]

Nov 2019 105000km P219a code came up on my 2016 Touring Pilot that I bought used with 78000km one year prior. I cleared the code used some injector cleaner, gas mileage increase still didn’t come down...9.6/100km upto 10.3-5...
Last week, accelerated onto the hwy engine light came on with instant loss of power...pulled over checked the code, P304, and 5 (mis-Fire).
Started car, all reset and continued on.
Went to the dealership today, told him the codes, car goes in Tuesday for the repair as mentioned in the TSB I told him about 18-025...he agreed.
He was looking to see when the TSB expires or how it expires, it didn’t state anything. When it states it relates to a manufacturer defect, I told him sounds like a warranty issue. I have extended warranty so I hope this repair fixes the problem and if not, I will update.


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[ttt3]

Just curious, has anyone had actual driveability problems that drove replacing the injectors, or are you all just replacing injectors because the Check Engine (Emissions) light came on?

I'm wondering whether the engine control unit is just too sensitive. I have had Emissions light on (P0420) once with my 2017 Elite, I cleared it with my code reader and it hasn't come back.

 

[swell]

Apologies in advance, as I haven't replaced fuel injectors yet. Honda dealer offered to replace injectors for $1400. Being out of warranty, knowing the parts cost $350, being a stubborn DIY'er, and being displeased by dealer uncertainty about how long new injectors would perform, I declined.

2017 Pilot EX-L 2WD.

I read these codes: P0430, P0304. I erased the codes, but they returned. Twice I used in-tank fuel injector cleaner (Red line 60103), codes and CEL went away for a while but returned. 87 octane with ethanol gasoline purchased from mix of places like Costco, Racetrack, Wawa, etc.

I did some research and just attempted to clean injectors myself by doing the following:
-Purchased a "C80 Gasoline Fuel Injector" tool from eBay for $53.05 (with shipping). Replaced odd male quick disconnect air fitting supplied with canister tool with standard fitting I use with my air compressor. Purchased a 16 ounce can of OTC 7000A (98% xylene) from Amazon for $13.84.
-Warmed up engine, shut down.
-Disconnected wiring connector at fuel pump, beneath rear driver's side bench seat. After removing the plastic trim and seat mounting hex bolts, I tilted the seat back and propped it up with wood to access the 3x Phillips screws securing the round access floor panel. (Side note: Removing the fuel pump fuse will prevent starting the vehicle. This is somewhat expected. I tried that first without success. I restored fuse and turned my attention to tank pump wiring.)
-Blocked rubber fuel return host at fire wall with hose pinch pliers.
-Disconnected fuel supply line at fire wall. Use eye protection and rags, fuel will spray.
-Connect supplied Honda adapter to canister line. Tightened with wrench.
-Connected canister tool to fuel supply line. Used small plastic fuel line connector.
-Filled canister tool with OTC cleaner. Hung canister from raised hood latch.
-Pressurized canister tool with shop air to 30 psi. (I assumed the downstream fuel pump on the engine will raise the fuel pressure at the rail and injectors to ~55 psi.)
-Opened canister tool line valve.
-Started car. Car ran fine. I didn't time it, but it idled about ~20 minutes until it stalled when OTC cleaner ran out.
-Depressurize canister.
-Restored all connections back. Removed pinch pliers.
-Turned car on, but not started, to pressurize fuel, checked fuel supply connection for leaks.
-Started normally. Lot's of warnings/errors afterwards, traction, towing, steering.
-Cleared codes with scan tool. (warnings/errors regarding traction, towing, steering and P0430, P0304 all cleared)
-Road test with several hard accels.
-Normal operation ongoing, awaiting return of CEL and codes.

I don't have any expectations for the OTC cleaner's ability to remove the fouling from the injector(s). The Bosch/OTC customer service rep said it's too new of a vehicle, and they don't have the application developed yet. Further, I haven't found anyone who has done this to compare notes with. SUR&R has a similar canister tool and their customer service rep was helpful and willing to discuss this application, but they recommend 50% gasoline and 50% Sea Foam instead of 100% OTC cleaner. I haven't tried Sea Foam before. I may have just wasted 100 bucks and a few hours, but I figured it was worth a try before committing to an entire day of replacing the injectors and screwing something up. I just want to share the experience. Let's see what happens...

 

[Coastie05]

For those of you who are capable DIY'ers here are some links to videos that show you how to replace the injectors. It really doesn't look too difficult. Definitely worth it to save over $1,000. I only have 11,500 on my Pilot, so I haven't had the issue. Just wanted to help y'all out.

 

[swell]

Apologies in advance, as I haven't replaced fuel injectors yet. Honda dealer offered to replace injectors for $1400. Being out of warranty, knowing the parts cost $350, being a stubborn DIY'er, and being displeased by dealer uncertainty about how long new injectors would perform, I declined.

2017 Pilot EX-L 2WD.

I read these codes: P0430, P0304. I erased the codes, but they returned. Twice I used in-tank fuel injector cleaner (Red line 60103), codes and CEL went away for a while but returned. 87 octane with ethanol gasoline purchased from mix of places like Costco, Racetrack, Wawa, etc.

I did some research and just attempted to clean injectors myself by doing the following:
-Purchased a "C80 Gasoline Fuel Injector" tool from eBay for $53.05 (with shipping). Replaced odd male quick disconnect air fitting supplied with canister tool with standard fitting I use with my air compressor. Purchased a 16 ounce can of OTC 7000A (98% xylene) from Amazon for $13.84.
-Warmed up engine, shut down.
-Disconnected wiring connector at fuel pump, beneath rear driver's side bench seat. After removing the plastic trim and seat mounting hex bolts, I tilted the seat back and propped it up with wood to access the 3x Phillips screws securing the round access floor panel. (Side note: Removing the fuel pump fuse will prevent starting the vehicle. This is somewhat expected. I tried that first without success. I restored fuse and turned my attention to tank pump wiring.)
-Blocked rubber fuel return host at fire wall with hose pinch pliers.
-Disconnected fuel supply line at fire wall. Use eye protection and rags, fuel will spray.
-Connect supplied Honda adapter to canister line. Tightened with wrench.
-Connected canister tool to fuel supply line. Used small plastic fuel line connector.
-Filled canister tool with OTC cleaner. Hung canister from raised hood latch.
-Pressurized canister tool with shop air to 30 psi. (I assumed the downstream fuel pump on the engine will raise the fuel pressure at the rail and injectors to ~55 psi.)
-Opened canister tool line valve.
-Started car. Car ran fine. I didn't time it, but it idled about ~20 minutes until it stalled when OTC cleaner ran out.
-Depressurize canister.
-Restored all connections back. Removed pinch pliers.
-Turned car on, but not started, to pressurize fuel, checked fuel supply connection for leaks.
-Started normally. Lot's of warnings/errors afterwards, traction, towing, steering.
-Cleared codes with scan tool. (warnings/errors regarding traction, towing, steering and P0430, P0304 all cleared)
-Road test with several hard accels.
-Normal operation ongoing, awaiting return of CEL and codes.

I don't have any expectations for the OTC cleaner's ability to remove the fouling from the injector(s). The Bosch/OTC customer service rep said it's too new of a vehicle, and they don't have the application developed yet. Further, I haven't found anyone who has done this to compare notes with. SUR&R has a similar canister tool and their customer service rep was helpful and willing to discuss this application, but they recommend 50% gasoline and 50% Sea Foam instead of 100% OTC cleaner. I haven't tried Sea Foam before. I may have just wasted 100 bucks and a few hours, but I figured it was worth a try before committing to an entire day of replacing the injectors and screwing something up. I just want to share the experience. Let's see what happens...

That didn’t work. Tried the same experiment with one pint OTC and a pint of Seafoam mixed 50/50 with gas. That didn’t work either. Just replaced the injectors and fuel line and took it for test drive. The most fouled appeared to be position 1 (closest to passenger side, if I understand the positions correctly). Crud atop the valves. Intake manifold seems to direct oil toward position one. I ordered oil catch can and s-vcm.

 

[Nail Grease]

I know this an old poll, but there is no way I'd leave VCM active on my 2017.
And yes, your gasoline matters. Use only Top Tier 87 octane. Higher octane fuel than 87 does not burn completly and clogs your catalytic converters.

 

[surfduluth]

So what kind of direct injector cleaner did you buy? And how often do you treat the gas?

I really do not want to have to have my injectors replaced again, even though it is under warranty.

 

[surfduluth]

Is this the same as Caltex Techron?

I used Techron. Update as I just put in another bottle because I got gas at a station I should have been suspect of (Indpendent / No Name) check engine light on again @ 53,000 for the first time since the last treatment indicating running rich on injectors 1 & 3. light went off prior to service department reading the issue but the code history told me that. so 14,000ish miles on injectors that I was supposed to replace. Will be back on here again if it happens in the future.

 

[Jopark1]

I sold my 2016 Pilot EX AWD after 4 years(?). I could not handle the problem anymore. Having to go back and forth to the dealer to get it solved. The dealer finally decided to replace all the injectors that would have cost me over 1000$ I enjoyed my Pilot but not like how others adooooore the car. I might come back to Honda someday. But for now, bye bye.

 

[Coastie05]

I sold my 2016 Pilot EX AWD after 4 years(?). I could not handle the problem anymore. Having to go back and forth to the dealer to get it solved. The dealer finally decided to replace all the injectors that would have cost me over 1000$ I enjoyed my Pilot but not like how others adooooore the car. I might come back to Honda someday. But for now, bye bye.

What did you get?

 

[Mollymrose]

We had our fuel injectors replaced this week, courtesy of Honda dealer under emissions warranty. We have 75,000 miles on 2016 Pilot. Emissions warranty apparently goes to 80,000 miles. This is covered under SB 18-025. There are many forums on this issue on this site.

What’s weird with ours is we also had the code DTC U128D (under dash fuse box). I could find NOTHING on this issue on Piloteers.org. This cost $1,000.

Anyone have any info on that?

 

[awd.nv]

My 2016 honda Pilot failed maybe 5,000 miles out of warranty but our Honda dealer sold extended warranty covered them for $50 deductible. Honda said they are sold in sets only. Name brand fuel always used but usually 87 octane except for summer months 91 octane. It was a check engine light but still had normal operation. We did the fuel treatment recommended by the Honda dealer the service before the incident happened, maybe coincident or not but I tend to have not liked those additives because they can break stuff away into the engine but figured Honda should know better than me. Who knows.