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Any way to prevent rear subframe rusting from inside out?

7.5K views 23 replies 10 participants last post by  Surfin' Bird  
#1 ·
I have read about issues with the early Honda Pilots, where the rear subframe rusts from the inside out (like this). I am looking to purchase a used 2006 Honda Pilot with 105,000 miles. I have some pictures of the usual problem area and it looks like this problem hasn't occurred yet. I wouldn't have a way of knowing how badly the inside, where I can't see, is rusted.

Is there a suggested way of seeing if this area is rusted and trying to prevent future issues? Has anyone in this forum taken preventative matters to prevent this issue and been successful?

See attached photos of the current state
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#2 ·
Fluid film application or similar competitive products could help to arrest or slow the rust process. The unibody cross member that the rear subframe bolts onto appears intact and could benefit from preventative treatment. The area of concern appears to be the frame rails that the hitch attaches to. The rear impact beam is probably rusty but replaceable.
 
#3 ·
I wouldn't have a way of knowing how badly the inside, where I can't see, is rusted.
This is, unfortunately, an accurate statement. Nobody has come up with a practical way to determine the state of affairs inside the unibody structure. If it were me, I would start poking around pretty aggressively with an ice pick to see if you can push through, but your seller might not be supportive of that plan.

Since it appears that you live in a place where cars rust, it's just a matter of time before a Pilot will, too. If that's a risk you don't want to take, start shopping in the Sun Belt.
 
#5 ·
Thanks. When I go tomorrow, to take a look again, I might poke around a little more, but not with an ice pick :)

Also, I don't know much about rust, but once the rusting starts, does it just keep expanding on its own, even if you manage to prevent the original source of the rust?

Lastly, did anyone ever figure out how water was making it's way into this area so as to figure out the best places to seal things? Would anyone recommend drilling small holes in key spots to help let water drain out from problem areas?
 
#11 ·
@aggrex , I'd be interested to know if you notice any other problem areas in these photos that I took as well. Thanks for the feedback!
The second set of pictures are not too bad and should respond to some preventative treatment. The first set of pictures is typical of Pilots driven in the rust belt. If you decide on this Pilot some action on your part will be needed to preserve your investment for as long as possible.
 
#10 ·
The suggestion regarding getting a vehicle from the sunbelt should be given way more consideration than folks give it. When I see the Pilots on here from the north I am truly shocked how they look/compare/ease to work on, etc. compared to my 2007 Texas vehicle. I have no rust on the undercarriage, etc. and when I work on mine the nuts, bolts, parts come off relatively easily. There are 2 ways to buy a sunbelt vehicle: (1) find potential vehicles online and then come on down here or Arizona to buy one (either fly down, rent a car there and leave it here or road trip with the wife or kid); or (2) find one on Carfax that is a pure sunbelt vehicle and have it transferred up here, yes for a price but the objective is to get a sunbelt car so getting one comes at a bit of extra cost in that respect. When I lived in Chicago, I bought my Jeep Grand Cherokee in Phoenix, beautiful vehicle.
 
#19 ·
Do both. Get professional rustproofing every late fall before the first batch of salt hits the roads, and regularly slather it with Fluid Film (with lanolin
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) or similar product. Physical entropy will eventually be the end of everything material, but you can stave it off a bit and find some joy before.

 
#21 ·
Thank you for all of the tips, comments, and suggestions. I went back and ended up purchasing the car. I didn't use an ice pick to poke around at the potential problem areas, but I examined them a lot more closely and they seem to be in good shape so far. I will definitely taking preventative steps though to keep issues to a minimum.