Almost bought a new 2025 Pilot Touring because I wanted the ability to remove the center section for easier access to the 3rd row for my grandkids without having to move the outer seats forward. I was told by the dealer and the Honda website that the 2025 EX-L model no longer offers the captains chairs option for the middle row, and that the middle row of the EX-L does not have a removable center section like the Touring and Elite. While checking models in stock at the dealer, I happened to look at a 2025 EX-L model and discovered that the center of the middle row is actually removable and has the deeper seat storage area in the rear. I really did not want the Touring or Elite (not a fan of the pano roof, larger tires or the higher price). The dealer did not have any 2024 EX-L models remaining with the captains chairs in the color combo I wanted, but they had a 2025 EX-L in stock that met our needs for a decent discount off MSRP so we purchased it.