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The New Highlander is already on the road and I'm not drawn to it at all. The Palisade and Selluride are moving fast. They are really nice but impossible to order and they are backlogged for months. You can get a lower trim easier if you want. TBH I'm really interested to see what Honda brings to the game with the new gen Pilot. I plan on keeping my 2016 Touring at least another 6-7 years and at that time I may consider something nice like the Genesis SUV or newgen XC90. I like to own my cars so buying an X5 or GLE isn't for me. If I can get something nice with most 400bhp and not a pos like the Explorer ST I'd be interested.

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After a few years I might consider switching to Toyota when they release their new line up around 2022 per leaked sources. I'm looking for a V6 that will have a timing chain, an suv that have brake hold (had it on my MDX) and 360 camera. I might consider a Lexus too (had the 2019 RX450hl- sucked) once toyota/lexus updates their suv line.

What SUV are you considering next?
I would definitely check out the new Kia Teleride.
 

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Peoples driving habits are one huge determent to a vehicles. I've owned and driven dozens of vehicles over my 50 years of driving, manual and automatic, not counting the various pieces of farm machinery I have driven. NEVER had one transmission issue. Regularly got 70K + on manual clutches.

I understand that the word Stop means the cessation of motion. Slow California roll in reverse while shifting to drive is a killer. Constant jack rabbit starts, towing loads with vehicles not designed to actually tow such a load. Lack of proper maintenance of the transmission. All things that decrease transmission life.

Yes but a majority of that causes break down in the fluid faster, more frequent fluid changes prolongs the life. But if you're talking about the way people drive that causes failures vs a bad design, you're wrong. Many ZF-9 owners not only to honda but other brands, drove it normally and I'm sure they weren't doing the things you mentioned and had tons of failure. There are crappy transmissions out there (not just honda), just because you didn't have a failure in 50 years doesn't mean new untested transmissions are reliable.
 

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Love the style and handling of my 2012 Pilot 4x4. I'll be looking for a very low miles of the same style, 2015, or go to the Passport.
 

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Considering the 10 speed transmission is a 2WD transmission only, I doubt that it will be in the offering for the Pilot, and if by chance it is, I doubt that many will buy it. The 9 speed ZF transmission, (the people that build transmission Acura, Chrysler, Fiat, Honda, Jeep, Ram Trucks, Land Rover and Jaguar for some of their vehicles) was improved quite a bit for the 2019 models, addressing the issues of the 2017/2018 builds, both in hard ware design and software. There have been other improvements for the 2020 versions.

The biggest wear and tear on a transmission isn't shifting, rather it is the driver.
Doesn't the Acura RDX have the same 10-speed as the Accord? The RDX is available in AWD too. It could be a different 10 speed, but why would Honda dump that much money for the RDX?
 

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I guess I got a good one. Bought my 2016 in Dec 2015 and haven't had a bit of trouble with it.
I second that. My wife’s ‘16 Pilot has been a very good vehicle. It’s the first Honda we’ve owned (not counting a motorcycle and a lawnmower). I’ll definitely look at Honda again.
 

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Orders for the top trim SXL V6 are booked out until Jan 2021
When is Kia and Hyundai going to get sued for ripping off other car companies styling? Very good copy of Range Rover. I wonder about the durability of the Hyundai/Kia models. I need to convince a gear head buddy to buy one and drive it for like 10 years and then let me know. I know a few people that have had good experiences, but they are the people that buy a car, drive it for 50k miles and sell it. Not 200k miles like me - ha ha.

Could I get a brand new 2006 Pilot 4WD EXL just like mine? Maybe packed in Cosmoline for the last 16 years? But with 5 milies instead of 256000 miles?
 

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Driving style and usage does play a significant role in how your drivetrain wears, including the transmission.

However, a 10 speed transmission will make twice as many shifts to get to highway speed as a five speed. Friction materials in the unit wear based on shifting. Engineering will address this to some degree but until the cars are out in the real world and accumulate significant miles, it is a question mark. The manufacturer also lacks the data base on those real world failures to make improvements.

Overlaying this reality is that the incredible pressure to increase fuel economy, embodied in CAFE standards, has led to multiple situations in the market where technology designed to increase fuel economy has caused potentially serious reliability issues and costly repairs for the consumer (e.g., VCM, 9 speed transmission issues). Many of not most of these "improvements" would never see the market absent regulatory pressure because at a fundamental level, they do not make sense from an engineering and reliability perspective.

This short version is the consumer is being used as a guide pig for final quality control by all the car makers, possibly with the exception of Toyota whose super conservative approach has other downsides, like SUVs that are updated every decade.

The best approach, in my opinion, is to avoid first year models and haggle to get the cost down on a factory extended warranty on a new car - I don't want to inherit the results of someone else's problems, driving habbits, or crappy maintenance. Then maintain the car by the book and drive it as long as you can do so.
 

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When is Kia and Hyundai going to get sued for ripping off other car companies styling? Very good copy of Range Rover. I wonder about the durability of the Hyundai/Kia models. I need to convince a gear head buddy to buy one and drive it for like 10 years and then let me know. I know a few people that have had good experiences, but they are the people that buy a car, drive it for 50k miles and sell it. Not 200k miles like me - ha ha.

Could I get a brand new 2006 Pilot 4WD EXL just like mine? Maybe packed in Cosmoline for the last 16 years? But with 5 milies instead of 256000 miles?
They aren't similar enough to get sued, the Kia has some similarities but it's still too different from a Range Rover. But if some people think it vaguely resembles and costs $50k fully loaded, they nailed it. The Palisade looks like nothing else in my opinion.

We have a 2008 Sonata SE V6 that my wife drove new off the lot. 163k miles. It got an idler pulley around 100k, a new compressor and condenser around 150k and a rear caliper around 140k. Other than that it has all been routine maintenance items. Currently on cold starts I get a slight timing chain rattle that is likely a dead tensioner. I could spend a day or two replacing it but at this point I'm having a hard time justifying the time to my wife since she'd be stuck with the kids while in the midst of PA school for a weekend.

My wife's family has had 3 or 4 other Hyundai products over the years, the highlights were an oil change tech didn't torque the drain bolt on a Sante Fe so the dealer got to install a new engine and my brother-in-law's Veloster had some blown speakers. Otherwise they have all been faithful vehicles and I wouldn't hesitate to get another.
 

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I moved this to the general section since its getting er shall we say "fun". My personal needs are changing. Confess, that my Pilot took its final ride a few weeks ago. There comes a time when rust gets to a car that lives its life in New England....It was still running sweetly but the subframe and sills were failing.....
We have all the cars we need as a family but there is potential if my kids college reopens for him to take the CRV there.... I'm likely heading away from an SUV towards a pick up.
 

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I moved this to the general section since its getting er shall we say "fun". My personal needs are changing. Confess, that my Pilot took its final ride a few weeks ago. There comes a time when rust gets to a car that lives its life in New England....It was still running sweetly but the subframe and sills were failing.....
We have all the cars we need as a family but there is potential if my kids college reopens for him to take the CRV there.... I'm likely heading away from an SUV towards a pick up.
No Rocky, don't do it. Once you go down the dark hole known as a pickup truck you will never come back. First it's a PU, then a 4X4 PU, then its a 3/4 ton PU, next is the 3/4 ton Duelly and finally you go for the big daddy, a 1 ton 4X4 PU Duelly with inset 5th wheel hitch in the bed. Because you feel bad about buying such a truck you then feel the need to buy something to pull with it and end up with this.......

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A 33 foot Airstream Classic.


Next thing you know, you will be living down by the river giving motivational speeches to teenagers who don't care. Don't do it Rocky, don't do it. 😆 😄 :ROFLMAO:
 

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I moved this to the general section since its getting er shall we say "fun". My personal needs are changing. Confess, that my Pilot took its final ride a few weeks ago. There comes a time when rust gets to a car that lives its life in New England....It was still running sweetly but the subframe and sills were failing.....
We have all the cars we need as a family but there is potential if my kids college reopens for him to take the CRV there.... I'm likely heading away from an SUV towards a pick up.
Which pickup? I've had full and midsizers and outside of room for the young kids and their car seats I much prefer the midsizers for their maneuverability. Of course cost becomes and issue since they discount full sizers so much but don't discount midsizers much.
 

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I moved this to the general section since its getting er shall we say "fun". My personal needs are changing. Confess, that my Pilot took its final ride a few weeks ago. There comes a time when rust gets to a car that lives its life in New England....It was still running sweetly but the subframe and sills were failing.....
We have all the cars we need as a family but there is potential if my kids college reopens for him to take the CRV there.... I'm likely heading away from an SUV towards a pick up.
Pick ups in the New England area won’t be immune to the affects of heavy winter salt usage. It just takes a bit longer for the full-frame versus the softer uni-body/sub frame combo. But check out that Honda Ridgeline.
 

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Pick ups in the New England area won’t be immune to the affects of heavy winter salt usage. It just takes a bit longer for the full-frame versus the softer uni-body/sub frame combo. But check out that Honda Ridgeline.
Nothing is impervious to the salt we get here. F150 aluminum body does have an advantage there. Chevy/GMC is the ugly ducking. Tundra is so old but commands a pretty devout following. Wifey thinks pick ups are ruff ridin' gun totin machines. Well the F150 is one option but its ride is streets behind the Ram 1500 which I felt connected to far better than the Ford. But the money is in my pocket until the kid goes back to college.
 

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My dad won't consider Fords. He ended up getting a Sierra 1500 which I think looks really good. I was really impressed with the RAM but my dad still has those vestiges of old Dodges rotting away and having a lot of brake and cooling issues.
 

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I'm all done with the new Hondas. My 2016 Pilot AWD LX has been a pain. After almost 5 years the driver's seat still sinks to the floor and has to be pumped back up every time I use it. The rear hatch fills with water when it rains. Had the Pilot back to my central Jersey dealer at least 4 times and they did nothing to fix the problems. So after paying over $33k they blow you off and tell you they can't fix the problems. Fine, then its goodbye Honda, they used to be better quality and stand behind their products. I'm waiting to see what the new Ford Bronco looks like. Then Ill trade in my Pilot. Good riddance.
 
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