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VCM disable - a new and better way

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relatively new to this forum, but not new to reading the threads here. I have read almost all the posts on the VCM vibration issue and for those that aren't familiar with it, please do a search and do some reading as I don't plan to recap everything.

My opinions and experience are this: I don't like VCM at all. I am one of those that are experiencing vibrations and that's why I came to this forum in the first place. I have always been of the opinion that equipment is meant to be run, and when it's not, bad things happen. Cylinders in an engine are meant to be firing at all times and when they're not, you get oil bypassing, plug fouling, misfiring, vibration, and all the bad things that each of these conditions leads to. Adding active engine mounts and noise cancelling technology is just adding more crap to try and hide a bad condition. It is an initiative to help save 1 mpg and is more of a gimmick to satisfy EPA regulations etc. It's bad for engines as can be seen by all the complaints here and with every automaker that tries this.

My original intent was to try everything people here do to get rid of the vibration, pcm updates, engine mounts, spark plugs, etc etc... then I realized I needed to focus on disabling this B.S. system instead.

I tried disconnecting the rear bank oil pressure switch as is recommended by many. It did indeed disable VCM, however it was accompanied by the CEL indications, DTC's. As well, I live in a cold, snowy, icy climate and when I did this, after a short time of driving, the VTM-4 light came on in the dash and I noticed immediately that I had much less traction. The vehicle became a 2wd vehicle. At every start from a stop on a slippery surface, the front end slid to the side and there was not the usual amount of traction. It was painfully obvious that VTM-4 was also disabled. this was unacceptable to me. I need 4wd and I couldn't live with the CEL codes. If you like a 2WD vehicle and warnings all over your dash, by all means use this method. If you want something better, read on.

As most of you know, VCM doesn't engage until the engine is up to operating temperature. According to my OBD II device, it kicks in at around 167 degrees. This is where I decided to focus my attention. After doing some research on the ECT sensor, I went out and bought a 1K potentiometer. I drove my pilot until it was at operating temp and then I stopped and pulled ECT 1 sensor wire. I put the pot inline with the sensor, then started the engine and using the OBD II reader, I dialed the pot until the engine temp read 165 degrees. I went for a test drive and there were no CEL lights and the VCM never engaged. It was heavenly to drive the vehicle with VTM working, no CEL codes, and no VCM. It was how this vehicle should drive.

Now know what some of you are thinking. What if the engine overheats? I'll never know. Well, my plan is this. I'm going to install a switch and an aftermarket digital coolant gauge with audible alarm. So, what I'll do is run the vehicle up to operating temperature in the normal position so that if the engine needs the ECT reading to adjust anything, it can. then \I'll flick the switch and VCM will be off and the potentiometer will be sending a signal that the engine is at 165F to the PCM. that's less than ten degrees below operating temp and shouldn't cause any problems. I certainly didn't see any when I was driving. I also will have the aftermarket sensor monitoring engine temp, and giving an alarm if it overheats.

The only thing I'm unsure of at this point is whether the radiator fans will come on in hot weather as usual. I believe they will because I'm pretty sure they use ECT 2 as the input for this. I'll find out I guess.

I plan on making it look like a very professional installation, using one of the blank spots next to the DTS switch to install my switch. Not sure exactly where the aftermarket gauge will go yet. I've ordered the OEM female connector to make a harness so that I don't have to cut any wires and I can put it back to original with no evidence. The male half of the connector is going to be a bit more difficult as it isn't sold individually and so I'm going to try to hack apart an IAT sensor to make one.

For those that are interested in this, I will post updates of my progress with pictures. I just thought I'd share what I found so far.

Cheers,
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Verbatim, I'm digging into the adding the 40 ohm series resistor on ECT1 and have a couple more questions. I don't have the shop manual so please bear with me.

I found a decent source for a female pigtail at: Honda acura IAT ECT Vtec connector plug pigtail civic element fit pilot accord For Sale - DVAutoParts.com

I unplugged the connector at ECT1 and it looks identical to the one shown at that link. I also found some sources from China as you had mentioned but they require a 100-500 minimum order quantity.

For the male connector, like you noted, it's much harder to find. Have you considered getting an ECT1 sensor and dissecting it to remove the series R but leave the internal electrical leads? You could then mount it in a watertight box/tube with it's existing threaded fitting along with the 40 ohm series R and the female connector pigtail hanging out the other side. The side with the flexible pigtail plugs into the existing ECT1 sensor near the EGR valve and the male connector bolted to the box/tube plugs into the existing wire harness. What do ya thinK? How did you prototype the series resistor fix on your vehicle? I'm trying to avoid cutting the factor wiring harness.
That fits the older pilot but not the new pilot. That's an HX connector you need a HV or HVG. Secondly, that's a female connector. I have no problem buying those in small quantities. I found the female HVG connector and have five at home that I bought. It's the male connector that's the problem that I need to buy min 100 from China. I've looked everywhere so if you or anyone else can find it somewhere else, I'd appreciate it. But I doubt you will. I'll post a picture of it later. The one in your link for earlier pilots I can also find quite easily along with the male half.

I've landed on a resistor value of 68 Ohms (1/2 watt rating although this is likely overkill). This seems to work best for keeping the engine temp low enough in all cases from what I've tested, so if anyone is trying this themselves, go with that value. Readily available at you local electronics supply store.

You will not be able to do this mod without at least the female connector which as I mentioned is readily available. Without it, you will have to splice into the factory wires. Something I refused to do... For the other end, I just have soldered solid resistor leads onto my pigtails and these insert perfectly into the female connector for now then I wrap it in duct tape. Once I have the male connectors, it'll be truly plug and play.

WIll post more later and a pic. Have to run home, plumbing emergency.
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Attached ECT1 connector pictures and location for reference. This is on a 2012 Pilot.
You're right, that's the right connector for 2012, but that won't fit the pigtail harness you linked to. Look carefully, the slots are orientated differently.

Oh, and you'll need a crimping tool, the terminal and wire seals and the retainer. You can get these from cycleterminal.com
The first one is the one I'm sourcing from china. Min quantity 100. The links you posted don't work but it's the only one on Alibaba and that's the guy I'm using.

The female I can get from him too, but I can buy in lower quantities from other places.

Virtually everything from Alibaba is from China or overseas.
verbatim, are you by chance using a scangauge to read the codes and monitor the water temp? Have you tried clearing the code with the reader vs pulling the battery cable? I'm not exactly in a hot climate but I'm going to try out your fix in a few weeks.
No, I'm using a transmitter I bought off ebay coupled with an app on my smartphone calle DashCommand. It reads codes fine and has a "clear diagnostic codes" function, but it seems to do nothing, so that's why I cleared it by disconnecting the battery instead. Again, this is moot now since installing the harness when the engine is cold results in no CEL codes at all.

If you're set on periodically disconnecting & reconnecting the VCM system and want to do it remotely without opening the hood. Why not wire in a DPDT switch..... sensor harness leads in the center, wiring to the original sensor on one throw and the fixed resistor on the other? Space on the lower left side for additional switches......could even do a TPDT switch and control a separate LED circuit to indicate when it is connected/disconnected.
I have no intention of switching VCM on and off. It's going to be off permanently. The only reason I've been disconnecting it so far is to try different methods to stop the CEL errors from coming up, which I have now solved, and also to revert to stock before taking to the dealer like I did yesterday. I don't want to install anything that isn't easily removable when it's time to take it in. If others wish to do this, fill your boots.

Here is what I have made and is currently installed on my Pilot. The resistor is under the heat shrink tubing. The two pigtail leads are solid resistor leads and fit perfectly into the oem female HVG connector. I wrap that end in duct tape after I insert the leads into the connector, then I plug the female connector of my harness into ECT1. Works like a charm. If enough people are interested, I'll buy the 100 connectors from China and make it professional looking, otherwise, I'll just run it as is.

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verbatim... I AM IN!

If you have to buy a 100 of the connectors, how much money are we talking about?

What if you could get 5 to 10 people together and split the cost of the connectors and the other parts needed. About how much money are we talking about? This way you would have a bunch of connectors for people in the future, so you could recoup your cost and some of your time.

Who knows maybe this mod will be popular with people that buy a 2016 Pilot
Here is what I have made and is currently installed on my Pilot. The resistor is under the heat shrink tubing. The two pigtail leads are solid resistor leads and fit perfectly into the oem female HVG connector. I wrap that end in duct tape after I insert the leads into the connector, then I plug the female connector of my harness into ECT1. Works like a charm. If enough people are interested, I'll buy the 100 connectors from China and make it professional looking, otherwise, I'll just run it as is.
I like it. I'm going to try it out as soon as it warms up a bit. I have a garage but with the cold weather lately, it's been about 20 degrees when it's 0 deg. outside. It may be a good excuse to get a torpedo heater. Spring can't get here soon enough. I'm done with all the snow.
I'm in for $50-60 if you can build something up that is watertight. It's worth every penny if it corrects the problem. For that heatshrink tubing, I recommend the adhesive backed variety. It tends to keep out the moisture better.
I like it. I'm going to try it out as soon as it warms up a bit. I have a garage but with the cold weather lately, it's been about 20 degrees when it's 0 deg. outside. It may be a good excuse to get a torpedo heater. Spring can't get here soon enough. I'm done with all the snow.

Hey mudbog, where in Ohio you from? I'm in the C-bus area. Been butt-cold this winter. No two ways about it.

And questions for you guys. I know NOTHING about cars. NOTHING. Ever see the Seinfeld episode where George is imitating a car mechanic? George imitating mechanic: "You need a new johnson rod." George responding: "Well you gotta have a johnson rod so go ahead and fix it...." That's me.

BUT, having said that, I am good at messing with stuff and putting it back together. IOW, I've got good potential to be a Mr. Fix-it. (Just lack the drive!)

--Is this fix something I could take to a local repair shop?
--IYO, is it something that a mechanic could show a person of slightly above average intelligence to install and uninstall?
--Would it void the warranty or is it easily un-do-able so I could still take my Pilot in to get regular maintenance that's under warranty?

Consider me interested.
Hi Mr Mom -I live up in northern OH, about 30 miles from the lake. The fix that verbatim is working on will be pretty easy to install once it is all completed. I'll call it the "VCM Defeater" for now. You just unplug the connector from the engine coolant temp sensor 1, plug the VCM defeater into that same coolant temperature sensor, and then plug the original connector that went to the coolant temp. sensor into the other end of the VCM defeater. The only tool you need is a screwdriver to pop off that large black plastic cover on top of the engine. The coolant temperature sensor is under there. See the earlier pic I posted for the location. Total time to install VCM defeater is about 5 minutes.
Hi Mr Mom -I live up in northern OH, about 30 miles from the lake. The fix that verbatim is working on will be pretty easy to install once it is all completed. I'll call it the "VCM Defeater" for now. You just unplug the connector from the engine coolant temp sensor 1, plug the VCM defeater into that same coolant temperature sensor, and then plug the original connector that went to the coolant temp. sensor into the other end of the VCM defeater. The only tool you need is a screwdriver to pop off that large black plastic cover on top of the engine. The coolant temperature sensor is under there. See the earlier pic I posted for the location. Total time to install VCM defeater is about 5 minutes.

Thanks!

I did read the thread, but get glazed over when the tech talk starts in. I'll re-read.
I wouldn't leave it installed when taking it in. There's no way it should void a warranty but somebody might just use it as an excuse to.

It won't hurt your vehicle. Keep an eye on the new gauge position (only slightly lower). That's the new normal.

I've ran it this way for weeks. No indication of anything bad. Just drives the way it should. My gf took it on a 9 hour round trip to the mountains yesterday to go snowboarding. Not a lick of a problem and she got 21 mpg without trying. If she would have drove it easier and not idled it waiting for others she would have got higher.

If you're really queasy about it then don't do it. I firmly believe it does zero harm and is actually good for the engine but you should be convinced too or you'll always be worried.

The guy from China said he's back next week. I'll take the chance and put in the order. If it makes some folks happier with their ride, it's worth it to me.
VCM Defeater. Not bad. Let's go with that name.
I am as much against having a VCM engine as any other Honda VCM owner with issues, but I would hold off on ruling it out until we see the 2016 Pilot. That will surely be a new generation of engine and even with VCM, it seems like the newer ones like the ones in the new Acura RLX and TLX are more problem free (or maybe they just aren't old enough yet to show the problems). I'm a loyal Honda lover, so I am seriously hoping they have ironed out the issues with VCM since it doesn't appear they are abandoning it.
Just like GM they are too far down the road to abandon VCM/AFM in the face of ever increasing CAFE standards.....they will have enough of a problem making the next years emissions leap without having to go backward first....so it appears we are stuck with it......and unlike GM who made numerous costly engine mods from '07-'11 to finally dope out and "cure" the cause of their AFM related problem....and evidently they do work because my '13 works great and they continue these changes into the next '15 V8/6 production........... Honda's approach is substituting new rubber bushing materials to mask the vibrations (not the cause of the vibrations) in cold weather.

And as far as Honda Acura goes....seems ha, ha on us Honda Pilot owners, they knew about this VCM problem and started testing and replacing propeller shaft assemblies since January 2014 for all '13-'14 RDXs under Acura Service Bulletin 14-001 which details by photo how to disconnect the VCM pressure switch to diagnose the VCM cause of vibration, and includes step by step instructions for technician replacement.

My opinion is that we won't be getting any "new" or non VCM engine in a '16 Pilot, just their new "magic" bushing to mask the vibrations.
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VCM Defeater. Not bad. Let's go with that name.
Way too dry. Try to sex it up a little.

VCMender. VCMaster.

"The VCM Immobilizer!"
How about VCMuzzle ?
I don't care what you call it............. I want one :31:
Sign me up!!!! I'll place my order right now. Can I preorder?
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