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I use Honda fluid in the rear diff, too. I'm sure you probably have a cheaper alternative to that, as well... but I'm still gonna use Honda fluid.
Nope, there is no alternatives to the VTM-4 fluid whatsoever. My guess is there isnt a market for a aftermarket fluid of that type since it would likely be for Honda only. I don't know of any other Awd systems like Honda VTM-4 and Sh-Awd.

The ATF if different. It's not like Valvoline is mixing atf in a bathtub, calling it "multi vehicle" and selling it. They do there own R&D like every one else. Use whatever fluid that makes you comfortable and fits your needs. Its mostly quality stuff these days. Essentially, just service your Pilots transmission frequently with a quality fluid and you'll likely extend the life of it. Skip a few too many services and you'll likely pay the bigger price.
 

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One of the things people don’t debate on this forum is which fluid to use for the VTM-4. Nobody on here, as far as I can recall, has recommended non-OEM for that, and those who have unintentionally used non-OEM have quickly drained and filled with the OEM fluid.
There aren’t any that I know of. The rear diffs don’t give as much trouble compared to these transmissions which is why they don’t get as much attention.
 

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I'm not trying to convince anyone to NOT use whatever fluid they want. But here's the ingredients of the "full synthetic" MaxLife multivehicle ATF. If it was truly FULL synthetic, it wouldn't be $18 a gallon.
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Are you sure that's the correct data sheet (SDS) for the Valvoline Maxlife Synthetic ATF we're talking about? Valvoline makes several non-synthetic Maxlife ATFs. Your data sheet looks like one of those.

I'm attaching a data sheet for their synthetic ATF, which is different.
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Are you sure that's the correct data sheet (SDS) for the Valvoline Maxlife Synthetic ATF we're talking about? Valvoline makes several non-synthetic Maxlife ATFs. Your data sheet looks like one of those.

I'm attaching a data sheet for their synthetic ATF, which is different.
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Look for the MSDS with a revision date of 06/02/2021.
 

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Aha, so they changed their recipe, and they were presumably required to rename some chemical ingredients, it seems. Nice find. Where did you get it? Do you have a link?

So now the debate expands from Coke vs. Pepsi, to Old Coke vs. New Coke.
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For the record, the VML stash in my garage includes both. Which to go with? Oh, the dilemma. :D
 

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Not doubting, I was on the Valvoline site, too, but what I found for the same product code was slightly different, because I was looking at the "Purple Book" for the Americas, rather than the ones for the US or Canada, which are similar, even though they all have that same revision date. Also interesting that the country-specific ones have more or less specific details compared to the Purple Book ones. Anyway, someone or something made them cry uncle petroleum. :D




OK, time for our SAE engineer friend to come back, I'll put some water in my wine, too, and explain to us what in blazes a "Purple Book" is. I'll hazard a totally uneducated guess before even googling it that it's for what to do when someone puts the ATF funnel where it doesn't belong, ingests some of the stuff, gets sick and starts turning purple.
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220K on OEM with 30K mile changes on my 2005 Pilot EX. No towing and 90% two occupants.
Differential every 20K. I really don't know what I'll get when this one goes. I need to get into the 30mpg+. I'm 6'4" and with the increased windshield rake of newer vehicles it's tougher to get into most SUV's out there.
 

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I use this brand but in Oil. Any suggestions if Valvoline or Mobil for transmission of Oil is “better”? Or each you there own?
Don't get us started.

OK, do. I'm in the VML ATF camp.

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I use this brand but in Oil. Any suggestions if Valvoline or Mobil for transmission of Oil is “better”? Or each you there own?
I've been using Valvoline MaxLife ATF for years as many others have. I've never used Mobil ATF to form an opinion between the two.
 

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Then, again, many others have never used Valvoline MaxLife ATF.
Well that’s what is so great about the forum. A place where we can discuss the products we use. Then share our experiences with others.
 

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I use this brand but in Oil. Any suggestions if Valvoline or Mobil for transmission of Oil is “better”? Or each you there own?
I would love to try the Mobile1 synthetic multi-vehicle formula. Problem is I cant find it anywhere not even online. All can dig up is the data sheet from this year.
 

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I would love to try the Mobile1 synthetic multi-vehicle formula. Problem is I cant find it anywhere not even online. All can dig up is the data sheet from this year.
All I can find is the M1 synthetic blend ATF and it's really pricey.
Not for Honda?
 
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