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Hey! We got our Pilot! Fantastic! :2:

Anyway, some time ago there was posted a checklist for your dealer pickup. It was from the Acura MDX site and very good. However, there are many Pilot specific items on this board. As a thank you to this board, I am posting my final Honda Pilot Specific Checklist. This is a supplement (or pre checklist) for the other main checklist. :cool:

I have cut and pasted this from _many_ posts. So if you wrote some of the words, consider this a thank you!

The only really major non correctable issue is the rear windows open at 40 mph. It is really bad. Though you can correct it by opening the front windows. Don't try the closed front/open rear windows above 55 mph! :eek:

Sterling's Checklist Version 8:
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Did You Knows:
* First oil change at 7500. Earliest is 5000. First oil has a new engine additive.
(The factory uses an oil with an extra big dose of MOLYBDENUM DISULFIDE. This
substance is well known to provide lubrication at high pressures/temperatures.
The idea is that as the 'moly' coats the moving parts (especially the camshafts
and other parts of the valvetrain) an extra layer of protection is built-up. This
helps to ensure a look trouble-free lifespan for the highly stressed upper engine
parts. The same supplements are available in other products, notably the EOS
product from GM.)
* Outside temperature display is on trip odometer
* In the RES equipped Pilot, turning the rear stereo off will allow all
speakers to move with the front selected source, but if you have the rear
stereo on, only the front speakers move with the front source selection. The
rear speakers and subwoofer will turn off unless you select the same source
for the rear stereo. Confusing? You bet!
* Those 4 cup drink holders from McDonald's fit perfectly into the middle
console in between the front seats.
* When using the emergency brakes, use the brakes FIRST then place the
transmission in Park. Nice tidbit, I picked up on this site.
* AC: I'm not sure about how it compares with an MDX but it does cool down
very quickly. The Pilot has a larger interior volume to cool than the MDX. I
have noticed that when you get in and it's very hot the recirc. comes on
then goes off after it's cooled down.
* Gold Dollars fit in the change slot farthest from the driver.
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My Wishlists:
* Headrests that are actually useful. I don't know how anyone can drive
actually USING them. And it looks like no whiplash protection.
* Floor mats that cover more of the floor...especially on the drivers side
around the dead pedal.

Wishlists from other people:
* Memory for the driver's seat and power seat for the front passenger seat.
* A better lumbar support
* Side Curtain Airbags.
* Vehicle Stability Assist
* Dynamic Stability Traction Control
* Brake Assist - Brake performance is poor?
* Daytime Running Lamps
* Fog Lights
* Low Windshield Wiper Fluid Light
* A storage tray that would slide out from under the passenger seat.
* Keypad Door
* Double Visors (To cover side and front)
* Multi Disc In Dash CD Player for EX
* Heated Seats/Mirrors
* Full Size Spare
* Mute button on steering wheel
* Power Side Mirrors (I Thought it had it?)
* NAV option for us with non-leather friendly families.
* To be able to see the temperature and the trip odometer at the same
time. Although I like the "A" and "B" set up of the odometer.
* Moonroof (Personally, I hate them)
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Important Complaint Items on Pilot to Check for:
* Water Pump Recall: Honda Service Bulletin 02-055 (Acura SB02-022)
-Water Pump bolt damages timing belt, can cause engine failure at speed.
For Honda Pilots, the affected VIN is:
2HKYF1...3H513603 thru 2HKYF1...3H517522
That is Pilot #13,603 to #17,522
* The water pump problem has been exhibited as a vibration at 70 MPH.
(I assume this is the bolt eating at the timing belt.)

* Check PDI Preparation List:
- Tire Pressure should be 32 PSI. Complain if at 40 PSI, as the PDI list was
not followed. They are at high pressure when on the truck.
- Ask if the PCM Idle learn procedure was done and how long
- Driver window auto down exercised.
- Stereo S/N on the right outside of glove compartment
- "rubber plugs in the glove compartment" (They did not install the plugs underneath)

* Check for driver's side windshield washer nozzle on the EX leaking:
Spray the windshield. Then makr a hard right turn. Washer fluid may leak
out onto hood. If it does, straighten out the tube under the hood so that
the slack is on the passenger side, not the drivers side. Other people have
cut about 2 inches out of the tube. Basically modify the hose loop.

Other Complaints to Check For:
* Windows Squishing/Scrunch - Not sure what this is. Lub will fix it.
* Some sort of clicking on the drivers side (minor correction by Honda Service
in which they grind down a welding burr)
* One guy complained that if you open the rear windows over 40 MPH, that there
is a thumping sound in the vehicle, increasing towards 55 MPH, producing
much discomfort, or severe at 65 MPH. << Actually, this is pretty bad! >>
* Check for an oil leak under the center rear. It is from a cable or bolt
for the spare. Possibly due to lub melting in summer heat.
* Check to see that the spare tire jack works and has no manufacturers defects.

Other Complaints:
* Leather Seats Sagging - Seat of seat shows ripples in leather more than
other cars.
* Gas Tank Sloshing - Noise of partially filled tank
* Gas Tank Overflow - It is much too easy to overflow. NEVER top off the tank.
* "rough idle?" - Not sure what this was
* Check for noises coming from the glove comp. side e.t.c.
* Pinging/Knocking in engine: It is a simple mechanical alignment of a bracket
that contacts the firewall during acceleration. The bracket needs to be bent
away about 1/4".
* Many people recommend better tires: Michelin Cross-Terrains
Factory Tires: 16x6.5 hub's with 235/70-16 tires
Replace with?: 17x8's hub's with 255/60-17 Michelin Cross-Terrains
However, you get lower gas milage with wider tires.
17" requires larger wheel hub. Konig Tantrum Wheels were one suggestion.
Iceman: The ride does not feel as cushy, but that's good. There is more tire
noise as the OEM tires were car road tires and not light truck/suv tires.

Six main annoying noises:
1. Clicking from the driver's side dash. Turned out it was NOT the popular strut
noise but wires hitting each other inside the dash. Was fixed.
2. Large spring sound from the rear going over bumps. Fixed by tightening the
suspension and replacing some stabiliser and suspension parts. Car now feels
much tighter - don't know if that is good or bad but the noise is gone.
3. Noise from the rear when turning. Fixed by replacing/cleaning some break shoe
parts (?). Could have been related to #2.
4. Windows scrunch from passenger side front and rear. Still very annoying. Goes
away if I roll the windows down slightly. Hope they come up with something.
Almost sounds like a rattling sometimes when it gets bad.
5. Loose drivers side window clicks (when 1/4 the way open) going over bumps. Not
fixed.
6. Tight rattling sound/vibration from passenger rear wheel well or rear door or
somewhere under the car. Never sounds like it is coming from console, as Bill
experiences. Quite noticeable going over stretch of bumpy road if someone else
drives and I sit in the back. At first I thought it was noise from the tires.
Still not sure what it is. Not fixed.

General Complaints:
1. Interior rear view mirror is too small (Not tall enough)
2. Cargo compartment lid does not lock in upright position
3. Difficult to shift from Park to Reverse
5. Low Beams do not illuminate a sufficient distance
6. In-Roof Seat belt restraints do not properly "restrain" the belts (falling out)
7. Rear A/C Manual override must be selected every time vehicle is started,
not memorized
13. Rear Hatch is hard to close (it tends to want to open back up)
It needs an outside handle to help with closing
15. Second row of seats do not fold flat
16. The center console has two little "cavities" that are great dust collectors

<< Continues >>
 

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-- Things to do after delivery:
1. Put a coat of wax on it.
2. Treat your windows to some Rain-X and save your wipers
3. Break in period is the first 600 miles, no hard breaking (first 200 miles),
avoid full-throttle starts and rapid acceleration, and drive reasonable
speeds. First oil change ~3500 miles; first VTM-4 fluid change ~ 7500 miles
4. Tire pressure - Acura recommends 32 PSI, most are delivered
with PSI in the 38 to 45 range.
5. Get some clear plastic bumpers (about 1/2"). Put under rear liftgate
license so that the bouncing of the lift does not scratch the paint with
the license. (Use 3M Bumpon clear rubber bumpers). Don't use cabinet
bumpers that you find in the hardware store. They will eventually harden,
turn yellow, fall off, and may damage your paint. Get the 3M Bumpons,
guaranteed not to harm the paint if you want to remove them later.
Get them at PPG- automotive paint. I'll bet Pep Boys might have them as well.
Also, I would think just about any automotive paint store would have them.
6. Possible headlight bulb replacement: Sylvania Silverstar, about $25 each.
Should last as long as stock bulbs. They are much brighter than stock.
The stock light bulb (HB2) emits yellowish light. The 9003 and H4 are
compatible. Try Autozone and Discount Auto in Florida.
From the Sylvania website: http://www.sylvania.com/auto/silverstar.htm
* High & low beam headlamp Part number = 9003
* Upgrade Part Number = 9003ST Silverstar High Performance Halogen Upgrade
- Whitest, Brightest, 100% Street Legal
* Upgrade Part Number = 9003CB Cool Blue Halogen Upgrade
- White Hot; Super Cool; 100% Street Legal
* Upgrade Part Number = 9003XV XtraVision Halogen Upgrade
- Up to 30% Brighter than standard
Purchased mail order from: Action Products Inc., ATTN: Frank, PO Box 65,
Stephenson, VA 22656, $72.85, including shipping... may be more
expensive through mail order...but I did not want to wait. Local stores
should be carrying them soon.
You can order them directly from Sylvania for $27.49 each w/ free shipping.
http://orderxenarc.sylvania.com, 9003ST is the Silver Star for the Pilot.
Easy to install, but do not touch the bulb. Use gloves.
7. Be careful when you store head rests in rear compartment. If you run your
hand on the under part of the compartments lid you will feel dozens of plastic
nips. These will leave imprints in your headrests and possibly rip them! You
may wish to cut the nips off with a knife. Another problem, those ridges
underneath they use for strengthning the lid will also leave imprints in the
headrests!! Place a towel over the headrests before closing lid!
Also, turn the headrests so that the front is pointing down.
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Additional items (perhaps repeats)
Honda Pilot Specific Problems: (Some reports of the following)

__ Rattles in the driver's side door -- window glass or trim

__ Tires not being properly inflated, balanced and aligned from shipping.
(steering wheel shake at 50 mph or so)

__ Center arm rest opens without latching

__ Missing plastic pieces are stored in glove compartment

__ Problem with the very last seatbelt storage unit that's in the headliner?
Ours simply slides out and smashes against the rear glass window. My 3rd
row middle seat belt keeps slipping out of the holder on the ceiling also.

__ Check headlight Aiming

__ Check for paint overspray on roof rack.

-- Ask them not to put on a dealer nameplate or decal.

-- Documents: Get owners manual, check VIN on docs, tire warrentee
Two sets of keys and remotes

-- Try to get free Touchup paint & 2 extra keys

-- Do not sign any paperwork before you test drive the vehicle.

<<<< Add Here the Checklist from the Acura MDX site >>>>
 

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>Complaint 2. Cargo compartment lid does not lock in upright position
Mine has a cord attached with a hook that you hook over the headrests. That holds it up.
 

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Havasu:

I was not clear there. Yes, it hooks to the third row seat. The issue is for people who leave the third row seat down. There is no where to hook it.
I guess I abbrieviated too much there.
 

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Oh, and all those complaints are not mine. I was not clear.

This list was compiled before I got the Pilot in order to list all the _possible_ complaints. I should make it clear that most of these have been fixed, or are not an issue.

The intent was for when I picked up the car, to go through each _possible_ complaint, and see if it was an issue for _me_. Really, I wanted to check everything that _anyone_ brought up.

Does that make sense?
 

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Great post!

I don't have my Pilot yet, but I was looking for a list like this to reference when I do get it.

I hope you will update it as new info. is available.

Thanks for the time and effort you put into it!
 

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Great list. My pickup day is this Sat and I will take both listings along.

Thanks.


One question on oil change, 5000 or 3500 ?

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Did You Knows:
* First oil change at 7500. Earliest is 5000. First oil has a new engine additive.
(The factory uses an oil with an extra big dose of MOLYBDENUM DISULFIDE. This
substance is well known to provide lubrication at high pressures/temperatures.
The idea is that as the 'moly' coats the moving parts (especially the camshafts
and other parts of the valvetrain) an extra layer of protection is built-up. This
helps to ensure a look trouble-free lifespan for the highly stressed upper engine
parts. The same supplements are available in other products, notably the EOS
product from GM.)
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3. Break in period is the first 600 miles, no hard breaking (first 200 miles),
avoid full-throttle starts and rapid acceleration, and drive reasonable
speeds. First oil change ~3500 miles; first VTM-4 fluid change ~ 7500 miles
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First oil change

Per the "official" Honda OwnerLink site (and the manual):

Why should I wait to change the oil the first time?
Your Honda engine was delivered with an oil that is specially formulated for new engines that have not yet developed their "natural" wear patterns and may contain minute particles from the manufacturing process.
American Honda strongly recommends this special oil be left in the engine long enough for these wear patterns to develop, usually
until the first maintenance interval specified in your Owner's Manual, based on your specific driving conditions.

If you follow the 'severe schedlue" as defined below, change at 3,750 miles ...

Follow the "severe" schedule only if you drive in one or more of these conditions most of the time:
Trips of less than 5 miles (less than 10 in freezing weather)
Extremely hot weather (over 90 degrees F)
Extensive idling or stop-and-go driving
Trailer towing, driving with a car-top carrier, or driving in the mountains
Muddy, dusty, or de-iced roads


Mine will be in the shop at 3,750 miles...:)
 

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Older than Dirt has it right.

Basically, first oil change is pretty much 3500 with hard conditions, 5000 probably for most people. Certainly before 7500. I'll probably do the 4500 range since I mostly go highway.

It is a judgement call between getting enough wear with the original oil versus wanting to change the oil. Really a personal preference kind of thing.

Glad you all liked the list! What and no smily #6? I guess I was hoping for too much!
 

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Great compilation!

sbabcock - I know that it took some work but great list :4:! It is indeed a great resource for new buyers. Also, I've been here since the early days but I missed the leaking windshield washer nozzle fix. Thanks.......
 

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Great list sbabcock. Thanks. Hopefully Daniel (admin) can make this thread and the pre-delivery checklist thread sticky. So its easier for new and old members who are looking for it.
 

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Besides fitting the gold dollar coin in the slot furthest from the driver, it also fitst the two Euro coin just nicely :)
 

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That pretty much sums it up. Nice work. This is the post to read if you're new to the board. Good review for the rest of us too. I've always wanted to order the headlights, but too lazy to look for the post.

Thanks!
 

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Great list sbabcock!

I guess we've been lucky. The only weird noise I've found is a 'ticking' noise in the driver's side and occassionally in the passenger door. Hasn't been bothersome enough yet to warrant a trip to the dealer.

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