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My FWD 09 Pilot EXL was going through new tires every 35K miles even though I was buying 60K or 70K rated tires. I decided to open the owner's manual and learned that the tire rotations were supposed to be "rearward cross" pattern and I learned that the tire dealer/oil change "specialists" I've been using for years (Evans Tires) was using a simple front to rear rotation pattern such that the passenger side tires were never rotated to the driver's side. Of course this leads to premature wear on the driver side tires, especially the front tire in a FWD vehicle. Going forward, I've been specifying the rotation patter for them at each tire rotation and marking the tires before the service to make sure they're properly rotated. Goes to prove that if you want something done right...you gotta do it (or at least specify it) yourself. Can no longer trust the presumptive experts. This world has become full of inept, low skilled workers with no common sense.
Unless you make a lot a lot of left and right turns a day, the vehicle may have something else wrong causing premature tire wear. While cross rotating your tires may gain you a little, it's certainly not 25 to 35k miles.
 

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I know this brings all kinds of opinions but here I go.
My '08 has 167K and going strong. Tires (Michellin LTX Premiere) have 35K on them and probably last through winter (maybe not if I can get a good deal). Mostly highway driving in Northeast....nothing crazy. I do like Michellins but they are wearing alittle to fast. Rotated regularly, smooth ride and no problems in any kind of weather.
I have been researching other all season Michellins and have been advised to look at Continentals and maybe Nokians.
I have also run Yokohamas on my other cars and they wear great but very loud and I have used Toyos in the past as well.
Right now, I'm stuck on Michellins so what are your thoughts?
My ‘05 has 266k on it, just finished pulling a popup camper from Nashville to the Grand Canyon via Denver and southern Utah’s National parks. 5,500 miles later, I have to recommend Costco’s Bridgestone Dueler for me. 3rd set now. They’re quieter and though I’ve not checked the mileage they’re giving me, I’m happy with them and heard opinions that Michelins aren’t what they are claimed to be, IMHO. They don’t get flat on the bottom. Smile.
 

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Nevertheless, there may still be an opportunity to prevent others from making the same mistake choice.
So far as I can tell, it's not been a mistake. It's been a good choice. Will update if that changes.

My FWD 09 Pilot EXL was going through new tires every 35K miles even though I was buying 60K or 70K rated tires. I decided to open the owner's manual and learned that the tire rotations were supposed to be "rearward cross" pattern and I learned that the tire dealer/oil change "specialists" I've been using for years (Evans Tires) was using a simple front to rear rotation pattern such that the passenger side tires were never rotated to the driver's side. Of course this leads to premature wear on the driver side tires, especially the front tire in a FWD vehicle. Going forward, I've been specifying the rotation patter for them at each tire rotation and marking the tires before the service to make sure they're properly rotated. Goes to prove that if you want something done right...you gotta do it (or at least specify it) yourself. Can no longer trust the presumptive experts. This world has become full of inept, low skilled workers with no common sense.
The few times I had a rotation done at a place (while getting other stuff done), when I pointed out the manual's rotation pattern, I mostly just got pushback to the tune of "that's the way we always do it." Some even went ahead and did it their way over my objections.
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I know this brings all kinds of opinions but here I go.
My '08 has 167K and going strong. Tires (Michellin LTX Premiere) have 35K on them and probably last through winter (maybe not if I can get a good deal). Mostly highway driving in Northeast....nothing crazy. I do like Michellins but they are wearing alittle to fast. Rotated regularly, smooth ride and no problems in any kind of weather.
I have been researching other all season Michellins and have been advised to look at Continentals and maybe Nokians.
I have also run Yokohamas on my other cars and they wear great but very loud and I have used Toyos in the past as well.
Right now, I'm stuck on Michellins so what are your thoughts?
My daughter bought a set of Michelin Cross Climate 2. She loves them. If you are in the Northeast and don’t have a set of dedicated winter tires buy these. We are in Canada if that helps.
 

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I have 260K miles on my 2008 pilot. I'm replacing my existing Michelin Defender LTX with exactly the same tire. Except Costco sells as a Defender X -LT. Exactly the same tire, but $10 less per tire. the item number for Costco is 1086287. You will need to put in the item number rather than search for the tires using your year, make and model information. And, the Costco search engine thinks these tires are not OK for the Pilot, but if you compare the specs they are exactly the same tire. The only reason I know this is I spent about 20 minutes with one of the tire guys at the store to figure this out. I have 6 years and 1 month on my current tires. I've driven about 66K miles and they have 4/10ths of an inch on them. Not absolutely necessary to replace, but the new tires will do much better in snow. These tires run great on snow and rain.
 

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I have 260K miles on my 2008 pilot. I'm replacing my existing Michelin Defender LTX with exactly the same tire. Except Costco sells as a Defender X -LT. Exactly the same tire, but $10 less per tire. I've driven about 66K miles and they have 4/10ths of an inch on them. Not absolutely necessary to replace, but the new tires will do much better in snow.
If you really have "4/10ths of an inch" of tread depth remaining on your existing set, then the tread depth on a new set of those tires won't be any deeper.
 

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The few times I had a rotation done at a place (while getting other stuff done), when I pointed out the manual's rotation pattern, I mostly just got pushback to the tune of "that's the way we always do it." Some even went ahead and did it their way over my objections. View attachment 154721

I rotate them myself now.
They must be old school like me. Front to back ONLY. 🤣
What happened to "the customer is always right" or "Have it your way"? The gravey is on the steak, don't ask for it to be put on the side. 🤣
 
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I have 260K miles on my 2008 pilot. I'm replacing my existing Michelin Defender LTX with exactly the same tire. Except Costco sells as a Defender X -LT. Exactly the same tire, but $10 less per tire. the item number for Costco is 1086287. You will need to put in the item number rather than search for the tires using your year, make and model information. And, the Costco search engine thinks these tires are not OK for the Pilot, but if you compare the specs they are exactly the same tire. The only reason I know this is I spent about 20 minutes with one of the tire guys at the store to figure this out. I have 6 years and 1 month on my current tires. I've driven about 66K miles and they have 4/10ths of an inch on them. Not absolutely necessary to replace, but the new tires will do much better in snow. These tires run great on snow and rain.
Isn't that something, Costco manages to get a big company like Michelin to re-label there #1 selling tire for them to prevent a price match war. Seems to be a trend for many large retailers selling big name items. Had this happen on an whirlpool appliance at Bestbuy not long ago. But I'd still question as to whether the tire is exactly the same as the original. Where it's made may give some insight. Michelin now has a big factory in Mexico that makes the Defender.
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Isn't that something, Costco manages to get a big company like Michelin to re-label there #1 selling tire for them to prevent a price match war. Seems to be a trend for many large retailers selling big name items. Had this happen on an whirlpool appliance at Bestbuy not long ago.
Ever try cross-shopping mattresses between different stores?

Where it's made may give some insight. Michelin now has a big factory in Mexico that makes the Defender.
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Apparently the country of origin information on the TireRack site is no longer accurate or kept current since they don't show any Michelin Defender tire as being made in Mexico.

I ran into the same issue several years ago when shopping for the General Grabber HTS 60.
TireRack had the country of origin listed as USA, so I ordered a set of those tires from a local dealer who would match the TireRack price. I specified that I would not accept the tires if they weren't made in USA.
When the tires arrived at the dealer, the country of origin marked on the four tires was from one of three different countries - none of which was the USA.
So, I rejected that set of tires and instead bought a set of made-in-USA Toyo tires.
 

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Apparently the country of origin information on the TireRack site is no longer accurate or kept current since they don't show any Michelin Defender tire as being made in Mexico.

I ran into the same issue several years ago when shopping for the General Grabber HTS 60.
TireRack had the country of origin listed as USA, so I ordered a set of those tires from a local dealer who would match the TireRack price. I specified that I would not accept the tires if they weren't made in USA.
When the tires arrived at the dealer, the country of origin marked on the four tires was from one of three different countries - none of which was the USA.
So, I rejected that set of tires and instead bought a set of made-in-USA Toyo tires.
I'd never say that TireRack is giving misinformation about where a certain tire is made. By the photo, obviously the Defender is also being made in Mexico. I would not say that these couldn't end up on U.S. highways somehow someway. Doesn't hurt to ask to see the tire before you buy, if your concerned about its origin.
 

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Just would seem it'd be important to have a winter tire for the season in the NE. Then when spring comes, it would open a lot of great tire options. Otherwise, if insisting on a Michelin tire, your really limited with the 16" rim. According to tire rack you only have 2 choices. The Defender LTX or the Premier LTX touring. If I only wanted one tire year round in your climate, I'd choose this...
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Consumers rate it very well and has the severe snow rating.
I am running these on both my pilots. Excellent for the money! Great reviews everywhere
 

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I'd never say that TireRack is giving misinformation about where a certain tire is made. By the photo, obviously the Defender is also being made in Mexico. I would not say that these couldn't end up on U.S. highways somehow someway. Doesn't hurt to ask to see the tire before you buy, if your concerned about its origin.
One possibility is that the tire in your photo is an OEM tire for a vehicle made in Mexico, such as a Chevy pickup truck.
That made-in-Mexico Michelin might only be shipped to the Chevy factory in Mexico, but not to the US for sale as a replacement tire.
That still doesn't explain the situation I encountered with the General tires.
 

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One possibility is that the tire in your photo is an OEM tire for a vehicle made in Mexico, such as a Chevy pickup truck.
That made-in-Mexico Michelin might only be shipped to the Chevy factory in Mexico, but not to the US for sale as a replacement tire.
That still doesn't explain the situation I encountered with the General tires.
I've had tire rack ship me tires where 2 were made in one country and 2 in another. I used them, making sure to mount the 2 on the same axle then rotate front to back. I got the full 60k miles as advertised. I would not want a 3/1 scenario.
As far as Michelin Defender tires made in Mexico, it's speculation at this point as to where all those tires will go. Nothing stopping them being sent to the U.S.. I'm sure Michelin will insure that they meet their standards, but ya, if I'm going to buy an import tire, I'd likely look for something else at a better cost. There are some very good 60k mile tires at 30-40% less cost than the Defender LTX. Bank that money now. Buy tires a year or two earlier to keep that rubber fresh. Many vehicle owners are stretching out the years on old hard rubber to try to get what they paid for.
 

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My Michelin LTX tires were made in country.
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The few times I had a rotation done at a place (while getting other stuff done), when I pointed out the manual's rotation pattern, I mostly just got pushback to the tune of "that's the way we always do it." Some even went ahead and did it their way over my objections.
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I rotate them myself now.
Of course, the tire rotation pattern is different for directional tires, like my Nokian Hakkapeliittas and many if not most winter tires, i.e., front to back. But y'all knew that already if you made it to p.259 of the Owner's Manual. :)

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