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Well yes, and even required in Quebec. That's what the above-mentioned three-peak mountain snowflake (3PMSF) Nokian Hakkapeliittas are for on mine, and the Kumho Crugen HT51, also with the 3PMSF logo, are for on my daughter's Pilot.
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Nothing but the best for your daughter?
She's on a student budget and she wanted something she didn't need to buy a second set with just for the very limited city driving she does in the winter. Those fit the bill.

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But I believe we've already had this conversation. :)

 

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But I believe we've already had this conversation. :)
Indeed, but you evidently ignored the suggestion to get the Hankook tires.
 

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Indeed, but you evidently ignored the suggestion to get the Hankook tires.
For reasons outlined in that conversation, at the time. Your solution was to drive down to South Bend, Indiana.
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And by that time it was moot anyway. Like I said, maybe next time. :)

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For reasons outlined in that conversation, at the time. Your solution was to drive down to South Bend, Indiana. View attachment 154652

And by that time it was moot anyway. Like I said, maybe next time. :)

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The Hankooks in question seemed to have dropped in price since then.
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I'm with you on this. Without reviews, I'm not crazy about guinea piggin tires. Especially a new fangled touring tire. I guess at $125 each, they are paying people to try them.
 

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The Hankooks in question seemed to have dropped in price since then.
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I'm with you on this. Without reviews, I'm not crazy about guinea piggin tires. Especially a new fangled touring tire. I guess at $125 each, they are paying people to try them.
Maybe the price will go back up once tire shoppers read the tire test results in the latest issue of Consumer Reports.
 

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For reasons outlined in that conversation, at the time. Your solution was to drive down to South Bend, Indiana. View attachment 154652

And by that time it was moot anyway. Like I said, maybe next time. :)

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Only because you were complaining about the tire prices in Canada.
A few people I know will drive far out of their way just to save pennies on a gallon of gas.
Maybe you're one of those who would consider making a 2,500 km round-trip jaunt to save money on a set of new tires.

While you're there, you could do some investigation regarding TireRack's testing protocol.
One of the members of this forum seems firmly convinced that the outcomes of the tests are biased in some manner and that there may be payola involved since his favored brand never tops the charts.
 

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One of the members of this forum seems firmly convinced that the outcomes of the tests are biased in some manner and that there may be payola involved since his favored brand never tops the charts.
How many times are you going to bring this subject up? Tire Racks test track results for the Bridgestone Dueler HP Sport AS isn't a true representation of consumers real world experiences with this tire. Just ask Piloteers on this forum who have drove and ridden on this very poorly made tire. Tire Racks test track driver gives nothing but praise.
 
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I run Michelin LTX Defenders during the summer, and Bridgestone Blizzak DM-V2 during the winter. I live in the high country in Colorado and chase powder all winter, so I made sure to choose performance over economy. Those Blizzaks are unreal in the snow. In snow, I would take a 2wd Camry with Blizzaks over any 4wd vehicle without. The difference is that stark.

The 3-peak snow/ice tires have one downfall, however: only the first 50% of its tread is truly meant for ice/snow. Once you reach the 50% wear bars, you essentially have really good M+S tires, but not the same ice/snow performance as new ones. I've driven one set of them into the ground, and honestly I couldn't tell a difference. Even near-bald Blizzaks handled better in ice/snow than any M+S tire I've ever used.

I found that with ice/snow tires, you still understeer, oversteer, and skid when braking as much as M+S tires, but only for a fraction of a second. You will recover traction almost immediately with ice/snow tires, whereas with M+S you've almost definitely lost all traction and momentum will take over.

If you're even considering a 2 season tire setup, do it. I'll recommend the Bridgestone Blizzak DV-V2's - I have used the GoodYear UltraGrip Ice as well and they are great. and if you have the money to get a 2nd set of rims, you don't even need to go to a shop to switch them over between seasons. And put one of those out-of-season tires where your current spare tire is and BOOM - full-size spare.

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The 3-peak snow/ice tires have one downfall, however: only the first 50% of its tread is truly meant for ice/snow. Once you reach the 50% wear bars, you essentially have really good M+S tires, but not the same ice/snow performance as new ones.
That is - or at least used to be - true for Blizzaks, where only the first/outer 50% or so of the tread was composed of the special ice-gripping winter compound, while the second/bottom 50% was a more ordinary all-season compound.
Are you making that claim for all tires with the 3PMSF mark on the sidewall, regardless of brand or whether they are winter-only tires or are so-called all-weather tires that can be run year-round?
 

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I had put Michelin Defenders on my 2003 Lexus ES300. Compared with the Pirelli P7 Cinturato tires, they were loud and rode harshly with poor on center balance. I think that they are overrated.
 

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Only because you were complaining about the tire prices in Canada.
A few people I know will drive far out of their way just to save pennies on a gallon of gas.
Maybe you're one of those who would consider making a 2,500 km round-trip jaunt to save money on a set of new tires.
Nope, whatever gave you that idea? I may be a cheap bastard, but not a stupid one (although that's open for debate :D), and that would defeat the purpose.

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And by that time it was moot anyway. Like I said, maybe next time. :)


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The 3-peak snow/ice tires have one downfall, however: only the first 50% of its tread is truly meant for ice/snow. Once you reach the 50% wear bars, you essentially have really good M+S tires, but not the same ice/snow performance as new one
That is - or at least used to be - true for Blizzaks, where only the first/outer 50% or so of the tread was composed of the special ice-gripping winter compound, while the second/bottom 50% was a more ordinary all-season compound.
My Blizzak DM-V1s behaved the same way, and that's why I ditched them at the half worn mark. But I haven't seen where all 3PMSF do that. My Nokian Hakkapeliittas better not, considering how much they cost me. The cheap but (arguably :D) not stupid bastard in me expects them not to bail on me halfway through. I want my rootin'-tootin' money's worth,

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Nope, whatever gave you that idea? I may be a cheap bastard, but not a stupid one (although that's open for debate :D), and that would defeat the purpose.

Also...

And by that time it was moot anyway. Like I said, maybe next time. :)


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My Blizzak DM-V1s behaved the same way, and that's why I ditched them at the half worn mark. But I haven't seen where all 3PMSF do that. My Nokian Hakkapeliittas better not, considering how much they cost me. The cheap but (arguably :D) not stupid bastard in me expects them not to bail on me halfway through. I want my rootin'-tootin' money's worth,
It's typical that someone is going to imply your stupid cuz you didn't do it their way. At least you made your decision based on a large consumer groups reviews. That always makes me feel less stupid, or at least not the only one who fell for it. 🤣
I think it's illogical to overpay in some situations. Let's not use the word stupid for overkill. Like using a whole can of raid to kill one roach. It's dead. If your gonna do the job, do it right. 🤣
 

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Indeed, I was originally going by the (lack of) reviews for the Hankook at the time. But I'll keep an open mind in the future as more people try them out.
 

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Indeed, I was originally going by the (lack of) reviews for the Hankook at the time. But I'll keep an open mind in the future as more people try them out.
Just thinking of the success of Michelins new tire, this Hankook could turn out to be a great tire at a lower price. Cautiously optimistic with the piggy bank unbroken.
 
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Nope, whatever gave you that idea? I may be a cheap bastard, but not a stupid one (although that's open for debate :D), and that would defeat the purpose.

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And by that time it was moot anyway. Like I said, maybe next time. :)


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It's typical that someone is going to imply your stupid cuz you didn't do it their way. At least you made your decision based on a large consumer groups reviews. That always makes me feel less stupid, or at least not the only one who fell for it. 🤣
I think it's illogical to overpay in some situations. Let's not use the word stupid for overkill. Like using a whole can of raid to kill one roach. It's dead. If your gonna do the job, do it right. 🤣
No need to imply that someone is stupid.
There are other means by which that determination can be made.
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I know this brings all kinds of opinions but here I go.
My '08 has 167K and going strong. Tires (Michellin LTX Premiere) have 35K on them and probably last through winter (maybe not if I can get a good deal). Mostly highway driving in Northeast....nothing crazy. I do like Michellins but they are wearing alittle to fast. Rotated regularly, smooth ride and no problems in any kind of weather.
I have been researching other all season Michellins and have been advised to look at Continentals and maybe Nokians.
I have also run Yokohamas on my other cars and they wear great but very loud and I have used Toyos in the past as well.
Right now, I'm stuck on Michellins so what are your thoughts?
 

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I know this brings all kinds of opinions but here I go.
My '08 has 167K and going strong. Tires (Michellin LTX Premiere) have 35K on them and probably last through winter (maybe not if I can get a good deal). Mostly highway driving in Northeast....nothing crazy. I do like Michellins but they are wearing alittle to fast. Rotated regularly, smooth ride and no problems in any kind of weather.
I have been researching other all season Michellins and have been advised to look at Continentals and maybe Nokians.
I have also run Yokohamas on my other cars and they wear great but very loud and I have used Toyos in the past as well.
Right now, I'm stuck on Michellins so what are your thoughts?
My FWD 09 Pilot EXL was going through new tires every 35K miles even though I was buying 60K or 70K rated tires. I decided to open the owner's manual and learned that the tire rotations were supposed to be "rearward cross" pattern and I learned that the tire dealer/oil change "specialists" I've been using for years (Evans Tires) was using a simple front to rear rotation pattern such that the passenger side tires were never rotated to the driver's side. Of course this leads to premature wear on the driver side tires, especially the front tire in a FWD vehicle. Going forward, I've been specifying the rotation patter for them at each tire rotation and marking the tires before the service to make sure they're properly rotated. Goes to prove that if you want something done right...you gotta do it (or at least specify it) yourself. Can no longer trust the presumptive experts. This world has become full of inept, low skilled workers with no common sense.
 
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