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I've had my pilot for 13 days now. This evening it had ignition problems twice. The first time I put the key in, cranked it for 5-7 seconds or so and it wouldn't start. For some reason I thought about the theft deterrant chip in the key and thought that might be the cause so I pulled the key out, reinserted it and it started right up.

Later on this evening, it happened again. This time I didn't pull the key out but turned it back to off and tried to crank it again. I did this three times with no success. Then I took the key out, reinserted it, and it started right up.

Thoughts?
 

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GLAD I'M NOT CRAZY

This has also happened to me about 4 times, but in the afternoon after getting off work about 4:30pm. I've been lucky where the Pilot has hesitated once for a couple of seconds and the second time it started right up.

Will be interested to hear from any other group members if they've had this problem and what, if any, the solution is. Waiting to give my dealer all my issues when my Pilot gets her first oil change.
 

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Count me in too. Cranked her over and sounding like it was about to start, but wouldn't. Paused for a second (didn't remove key) and tried again, started right up. Has happend twice.
 

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???

Do you have another coded key or Mobil SpeedPass on the ring.
Two coded devices vcan confuse the system.
 

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same thing here. . .that's happened two or three times. a little unnerving on a new car. don't have anything else on the key chain, except another honda remote. but there is an E-ZPass in the car. . .hmmm.
 

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Re: ???

N_Jay said:
Do you have another coded key or Mobil SpeedPass on the ring.
Two coded devices vcan confuse the system.
The only keys on the Pilot's ring are house keys. Having two remote entiries (the other is the Civic), keep that key ring seperate. :3:
 

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This recently happened to me as well. I wasn't sure what to make of it. I also immediately attributed it to the chip in the key as taking the key out and putting it back in solved the problem. I have my key fob and the key as the only thing on my key ring so there should be no interference with anything else.

Could this be from putting the key in too fast? :8:
 

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r_hammel said:
Could this be from putting the key in too fast? :8:
Unlike most of the other post, I haven't taken my key out and then back in the ignition. I've just waited a couple of seconds, and the Pilot started without any hesitation. I really haven't noticed myself putting the key in any faster than usual when it happens.
 

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Other remotes

My dealer really stressed the interference that can be caused by other remotes.

I personally have not had the problem.
 

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Dano: I've got a Fast Lane Tag (MA, version of EZ-Pass) in my Pilot and I haven't had any starting problems at all.
At times I've also had a Toyota and or a Mercury transponder key on me (not my key ring) and still no problems. Yet.

One question though is do you leave your keys in the ignition overnight, it shouldn't matter but who knows?
 

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I've had this same problem about 4 times. More recently, I've started to insert the key, turning it to the "run" position. Pause there a couple seconds, then start. I've not had the problem since doing this. :)

This will definately be on my list when I take it in for it's first service.
 

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Its the keys not the remotes

The remotes should not (in my opinion can't) cause problems with the coded key.
Other coded keys, or coded tags (like the SpeedPass) can.
The EZ-Pass type systems should also not cause a problem.
It can take a second, (actually less) for the systyem to read the key, so if you put it in and turn in one motion you could beat the system.
P.S> I have both my honda coded keys on one ring and have had no problems with starting either car. But maybe I am slow.
 

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I don't have anything such as a speed pass that could have interfered with the key. Also, if it is possibly just a matter of not waiting a second to crank the engine, then when I tried cranking it 3 times, it seems like the second or third time would have worked.
 

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Not saying you don't have a problem.

I am not saying you don't have a problem.
Just trying to clear up some of the myths out there.
 

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I haven't had the problem recently. Have both a speedpas and e-zpass in the car. . .neither on the key ring. just a little quirky, that's all.
 

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Having been dealing with electronics equipments for years, I can tell you you with full responsibility -- if this car can not handle the
interference from the Speed Pass or some such thing, Honda can
have it back :mad: Automotive electronics SUPPOSED to be
overengineered by a huge margin in order to guarantee safety,
and ALWAYS is. Moronic statements that some sales people make
(like some BMW guy I met who was claiming that BMW can not
guarantee that my cell phone won't interfere with the engine control
module) usually come from the lack of education and limited mental
capacity. What's next? Your ignition will shut off when you approach
high powered transmission lines? Or God forbid you decide to drive
near the airport and your security system will lock you out while
shutting the engine?
I can not imagine this has anything to do with the key. This sort
of problem (can not start on the first try after the car has been
sitting) usually has to do with the leaky fuel injectors, gas pump,
or some other fuel supply related problem. Have the dealer
check it out.
 

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Kruzo

Remember you both could be right,
There is a HUGE difference between
a) your cell phone not interfering with the electronics in your BMW;
and
b) The sales person, the dealer, or BMW GUARRENTEING that your cell phone will not interfere with the electronics in your BMW.
 

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Re: Not saying you don't have a problem.

N_Jay said:
I am not saying you don't have a problem.
Just trying to clear up some of the myths out there.
No worries, N-Jay.

Your post was taken in the spirit it was offered. ;)
 

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kruzo. . .

while it might not be the chip in the key, it could be the electrical ignition system that is failing.

first check is usually for spark. . .

second check is for fuel. . .
 

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Re: kruzo. . .

Dano said:
while it might not be the chip in the key, it could be the electrical ignition system that is failing.

first check is usually for spark. . .

second check is for fuel. . .
Usually true. But since the problem goes away on the
second try, it COULD mean that the pressure finally build up
in the fuel supply line. Hence my theory on anything that may
be causing that pressure to release to begin with (leaking FI, etc)

N_JAY

Granted, BMW (or Honda) can not guarantee that some wacky
super-powerfull military grade sattelite telephone will not interfere
with the ignition system. BUT, they must guarantee that the ignition
will NOT fail with any, say, FCC (or GSM, you name it) compiant
cellular device. Otherwise -- who wants to take chances?
 
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