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Yes, i have been with Honda for 13+ years




This is solid advice, Honda has issued a TSB ( Technical Service Bulletin ) regarding fouled spark plugs, i just recently finished a 2011 Odyssey that had DTC P0301 # 1 engine misfire and they used to have us just replace spark plugs 1-4, then update the PCM software to now go straight into replacing the piston rings.


For some reason only piston rings 1-3 are almost always affected, and we hardly see #4 go bad , i think we have only seen 2 since the recall/warranty extension has been issued that #4 misfire is recorded



I snapped some pics of the piston ring job i just did today


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Is what you said above still true today? I bought my 2012 Odyssey a little over 2 years ago with 120,000 miles and this past weekend at 162500 miles my check engine light came on blinking and diagnostic showed misfire. Took it to Honda dealership and was told it wasn't covered because it was originally purchased February 2012. Now they are wanting to charge me $4,000 for the repairs, which is almost what the Odyssey is worth.
 

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Sorry for the position you are in. I am in a very similar spot with my 2011 (albeit much higher mileage) and my issues have been minimized drastically by the PCM reflash and the installation of the VCM Muzzler (posts #2, #51 sort of tell my story). I'm at 155k right now, I need to pull the plugs and post an update. Will try to do that this weekend.

Long story short:
  • New plugs at 60k per the Maintenence Minder
  • First P0301 was at @ ~90k miles. Threw in new plugs and ran fine. In general, it was burning about 1 qt every 5k miles (you may or may not consider this oil consumption 'fine', but at the time I knew nothing about the VCM issues and I was ok with burning oil if I didn't have to rebuild the engine on my dime at that time).
  • Second P0301 was at ~115k. At this point, I knew about the VCM suit and had Honda kickoff the first step of the ring replacement program (PCM reflash and new plugs in 1, 2, and 3).
  • I installed the VCM Muzzler II @ ~130k. Kind of counterproductive IF my goal was to get Honda to redo the rings, because it should slow any ring wear caused by the VCM system, but I figured I would see if it would help at all. Also started doing oil changes at 4-6k miles, opposed to the typical 9-10k-ish miles that the Maintenence Minder says to do it.
  • Currently at 155k, have not fouled a plug since the reflash and new plugs at 115K. And now I am way past the 8 year mile mark. My Blackstone oil analysis shows that less metal from the rings is in the oil sample than prior to the reflash & VCM install (I know UOA's aren't the end-all-be-all determination of engine wear, but it is more than I know than without it. I attached my last 2 reports that describe the improvement I mentioned). Oil top-off is maybe .5-.75qt every oil change, so it is burning less oil now too.
So what I am trying to get it is that there is a good chance your engine is still in good shape. But I fully understand your pain of just having purchased a Pilot expecting "Honda reliability" and now you are dealing with this crap. Maybe find a shop to do a leakdown test to confirm if #3 is indeed more worn than the others? I asked Honda to do it and they said no (unless I wanted to pay for it).

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Another oil analysis to update this thread. Sorry, but I still haven't pulled my plugs as I promised. Will do soon though.

This analysis came back good as far as ring metal in the oil (and I even took it 1000 miles further than I planned to). Something to note is that I went through lots of oil this time. I added ~1.2 quarts halfway through the usage period, and when I drained it, only about 3.6 qt came out. Yikes. I guess I need to check more often. I am going to switch to a high mileage full syn just for fun.

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l wanted to express my concern regarding the piston issue, and Honda's coverage....

It was determined that my wife's 2013 Pilot has a piston misfire and I was informed that this is a known challenge with that model year, and that there is an active campaign for that year with unlimited mileage limitations.

Unfortunately, it was determined that it is a vin specific campaign and therefore even though it was the corresponding year and fell within the coverage range, Honda determined my vin does not qualify.

I spoke to Honda's customer service and they advised that there would also not be any "good will" consideration for my wife's case as we only have a short history with Honda , having owned the vehicle for 1 year and it being our first.

So yes, I am disappointed, anyone else have a similar experience?
l wanted to express my concern regarding the piston issue, and Honda's coverage....

It was determined that my wife's 2013 Pilot has a piston misfire and I was informed that this is a known challenge with that model year, and that there is an active campaign for that year with unlimited mileage limitations.

Unfortunately, it was determined that it is a vin specific campaign and therefore even though it was the corresponding year and fell within the coverage range, Honda determined my vin does not qualify.

I spoke to Honda's customer service and they advised that there would also not be any "good will" consideration for my wife's case as we only have a short history with Honda , having owned the vehicle for 1 year and it being our first.

So yes, I am disappointed, anyone else have a similar experience?
I have a 2013 odyssey with 147,700 miles. Last Saturday emission light came on. Took it to dealer on Monday. Misfire on 3. Did my research and found out about the extended warranty and talked to Honda to find out I was 6 months past the warranty expiration. The guy I talked to asked if we owned other Hondas, which we had. 2 accords, 2 Ridgelines, 2 odyssey’s, a motorcycle and (yes) 2 Honda lawnmowers. Thinking this would be proof enough of our loyalty, we were shocked when we got the call a few days later that they would not help with good will assist. Trying to take the matter up higher so we will see what happens. Our 2006 Ridgeline had a cracked engine block that was specific to certain VINs but Honda didn’t take responsibility for it and that was a financial loss. I just don’t know that I could get another Honda, thinking I’ll keep it for several hundred thousand miles only to get screwed again.
 

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I have a 2013 odyssey with 147,700 miles. Last Saturday emission light came on. Took it to dealer on Monday. Misfire on 3. Did my research and found out about the extended warranty and talked to Honda to find out I was 6 months past the warranty expiration. The guy I talked to asked if we owned other Hondas, which we had. 2 accords, 2 Ridgelines, 2 odyssey’s, a motorcycle and (yes) 2 Honda lawnmowers. Thinking this would be proof enough of our loyalty, we were shocked when we got the call a few days later that they would not help with good will assist. Trying to take the matter up higher so we will see what happens. Our 2006 Ridgeline had a cracked engine block that was specific to certain VINs but Honda didn’t take responsibility for it and that was a financial loss. I just don’t know that I could get another Honda, thinking I’ll keep it for several hundred thousand miles only to get screwed again.
Thats not right
im having issues with my pilot as well...bought it new in 2012 and i have 2 civics currently
they wont help out.. We do have the right to take them to court...just fyi
in my mind, why do they get to set the parameters on the limitations of a manufactures design issue
UNBELIEVABLE Its also not right that they are not telling customers to unhook the vcm, which is said to cause these issues..i just did my svcm disable
 

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Thats not right
im having issues with my pilot as well...bought it new in 2012 and i have 2 civics currently
they wont help out.. We do have the right to take them to court...just fyi
in my mind, why do they get to set the parameters on the limitations of a manufactures design issue
UNBELIEVABLE Its also not right that they are not telling customers to unhook the vcm, which is said to cause these issues..i just did my svcm disable
ohh and if they dont pay, i am filing against honda...it costs 75 bucks...whats that at this point
Theres a guy on here thats pretty knowledgeable.. he didnt say, but i think hes an attorney... i bet they would put some money toward the repair... plus i think its right to be heard( wonder if that makes the newspaper ? lol)
 

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2011 Pilot. 99,000 miles. Recently installed VMTuner.

My father with a 2012 Odyssey and 120k just threw a code, Dealer says needs new rings.


Got me to thinking - how do I know how much damage my engine has? My 8 year extended warranty per the lawsuit is up in April 2019. Should I ditch this car after that? Or is with the rings this not that big of a deal?

I change the oil per the MM, which ends up being every 8000 miles give or take. Use Mobil 1 EP, at least since we bought it with 50k miles. We consume around 1/2 quart in between oil changes (8k miles) before the VCMTuner.


My question really is - is there any way I can evaluate how much damage is done to this engine, or premature wear? Will a simple compression test show it? Will a dealer do the ring repair based on their own testing, or do they need the codes thrown before they will consider it?
Dont want to start an argument...but id rather change my oil at 5k with a good filter...just my thoughts...and disable the vcm...i also think pulling the plugs and checking them would be a good indication...just my thoughts
Ive read the the mm oil changes seem to corollate with the rings( amd vcm)
 

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Thats not right
im having issues with my pilot as well...bought it new in 2012 and i have 2 civics currently
they wont help out.. We do have the right to take them to court...just fyi
in my mind, why do they get to set the parameters on the limitations of a manufactures design issue
UNBELIEVABLE Its also not right that they are not telling customers to unhook the vcm, which is said to cause these issues..i just did my svcm disable
They can't tell you to disable VCM because then they would fail Emissions and have to pay the EPA big fines. AND admit the tech is sh!t and should never have been used in the first place.
 

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They can't tell you to disable VCM because then they would fail Emissions and have to pay the EPA big fines. AND admit the tech is sh!t and should never have been used in the first place.
My belief is that if they are unwilling to tell you to unhook it , and unwilling to pay for repair that it causes, it appears that they are running from an issue! For me, it is not all about the money. It s the principle of me ever giving them another Nickle of my money. its been two months, and honda customer service has not even called me back. They did give me a case number. more people need to stand up to this!
 

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My belief is that if they are unwilling to tell you to unhook it , and unwilling to pay for repair that it causes, it appears that they are running from an issue! For me, it is not all about the money. It s the principle of me ever giving them another Nickle of my money. its been two months, and honda customer service has not even called me back. They did give me a case number. more people need to stand up to this!
VCM technology is proven to improve fuel economy. Honda will continue to produce V6 engine with this technology. We have a choice to buy it or reject it. Honda has addressed the problem with early models. For any older model Honda V6, we're on our own. At this point, we can only disable to try and extend the life of the engine or buy something else. For someone who only cares about the vehicle making it to the end of the warranty period, it's less of a concern if Honda is paying the bill.
 

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VCM technology is proven to improve fuel economy. Honda will continue to produce V6 engine with this technology. We have a choice to buy it or reject it. Honda has addressed the problem with early models. For any older model Honda V6, we're on our own. At this point, we can only disable to try and extend the life of the engine or buy something else. For someone who only cares about the vehicle making it to the end of the warranty period, it's less of a concern if Honda is paying the bill.
Oh i absolutely reject it! The problem is that i was not aware of this information when buying my car. Now the information is out, and honda set limitations on how long its responsible for a manufacturing design.
The reason i think its a big deal , is if they own the issue...completely, that may help them to be a bit more choosey for the next latest and greatest idea. It would also restore trust that they will make it right. The people do have the power to force them to make it right. everyone just needs to realize it. It would also shape better customer care moving forward.

I read somewhere that its speculated that honda is moving away from this platform...any truth to that?
 

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I read somewhere that its speculated that honda is moving away from this platform...any truth to that?
New 2022 MDX has a turbo charged V6 with VCM technology equipt. 😝👎
 

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My 2013 Pilot just started having issues last night. Had no idea about the issue when I bought it. Unfortunately the dealer says the extended warranty has already expired. So I'm looking at a hefty repair bill. My question is, if I have the rings replaced is this problem going to happen again? I love the vehicle but I don't want to have to worry about this happening again.
 

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My 2013 Pilot just started having issues last night. Had no idea about the issue when I bought it. Unfortunately the dealer says the extended warranty has already expired. So I'm looking at a hefty repair bill. My question is, if I have the rings replaced is this problem going to happen again? I love the vehicle but I don't want to have to worry about this happening again.
if you leave the vcm enabled...in my opinion

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