Well, it's been a good 7 years owning the pilot. This forum had helped me a lot. I could not resist a deal with a new Jeep Gladiator with Max Tow 7650# tow capacity. With the kids all teens now, we barely use the 8-seats of the pilot. And with the frequency of boating and camping, I figured it's best to get a vehicle that can tow and fit our current needs ( towing boat, towing travel trailer). Don't get me wrong, the pilot CAN tow, but I'm always on the max load on every trip. Anyway, perhaps when we have our grand kids, I'll score another pilot instead of a mini van. Thanks for all the input, I learned a lot from here! Enjoy life, be safe out there!