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My 2019 Pilot's first birthday is coming up. It only has about 2700 miles. Oil life just turned 40% this week. Long story short. After I bought the Pilot, my boss sent me to west coast for a 6+ month field support. After returning, Covid started.. I've been working from home. That's the reason the mileage is so low.

I should change oil..... because oil needs to be changed once a year.

I should NOT change oil..... because some sort of oil additive was added at factory (I remember something about Honda does not suggest performing first oil change 'til MM is closer to 0%).

So, my question for you car gurus, should I change oil or should I keep the original "factory oil" a bit longer?
 

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It happened to me too - we barely drive 5k a year.

I was told the original oil is not full synthetic but a blend, they will put full synthetic after. Based on that I decided to go and get the oil change.


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I'd let the car tell you. It's programmed to monitor a bunch of things including time.

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I would change it only for the fact that as oil ages the additives loose their ability to do their job. From there I would follow the MM as it makes the determination of oil life left not only on mileage but on your particular driving and driving habits.
 

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If it still looks clean and it doesn't smell like terpintine, I'd let it ride.
 

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It happened to me too - we barely drive 5k a year.

I was told the original oil is not full synthetic but a blend, they will put full synthetic after. Based on that I decided to go and get the oil change.
Thank you. I was learning toward changing but want to hear from the experts first.

I'd let the car tell you. It's programmed to monitor a bunch of things including time.
Really? That's good info. Manual from my other Honda says to change oil at least every year. I'll wait 'til at least a year and see what MM says and report back.

I would change it only for the fact that as oil ages the additives loose their ability to do their job. From there I would follow the MM as it makes the determination of oil life left not only on mileage but on your particular driving and driving habits.
Ahhh.... good point. I haven't thought about additives will go bad too. Again, I'm glad I asked the experts =)

If it still looks clean and it doesn't smell like terpintine, I'd let it ride.
Come on man, I don't change my underwear base on smell. hahaha... I'm just joking. My uncle is an old old old school retired mechanics. He told me the same thing.
 

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Thank you. I was learning toward changing but want to hear from the experts first.



Really? That's good info. Manual from my other Honda says to change oil at least every year. I'll wait 'til at least a year and see what MM says and report back.


Ahhh.... good point. I haven't thought about additives will go bad too. Again, I'm glad I asked the experts =)


Come on man, I don't change my underwear base on smell. hahaha... I'm just joking. My uncle is an old old old school retired mechanics. He told me the same thing.
Oh boy, here come the underwear jokes lol
 

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Come on man, I don't change my underwear base on smell. hahaha... I'm just joking. My uncle is an old old old school retired mechanics. He told me the same thing.
Depending upon the circumstances changing based on smell can be a factor. I’d say smell is up there with color or discoloration or floaters. Could be evidence of additional concerns to watch out for. For peace of mind just change it. It’s cheap insurance for a better outcome.
 

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My 2019 Pilot's first birthday is coming up. It only has about 2700 miles. Oil life just turned 40% this week. Long story short. After I bought the Pilot, my boss sent me to west coast for a 6+ month field support. After returning, Covid started.. I've been working from home. That's the reason the mileage is so low.

I should change oil..... because oil needs to be changed once a year.

I should NOT change oil..... because some sort of oil additive was added at factory (I remember something about Honda does not suggest performing first oil change 'til MM is closer to 0%).

So, my question for you car gurus, should I change oil or should I keep the original "factory oil" a bit longer?
Change the oil now, but don't reset the maintenance minder.
Change the oil again when the oil life reaches 0%, and do whatever other maintenance is indicated at that time.
 

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I agree with xGS's's comment above.

Since the warranty is still active, and since the owner's manual says to change when the MM shows it is due, OR AT ONE YEAR if the MM does not show it due, I would most definitely change it at the one year mark.

If you do it yourself, it could be less than $20.00 after rebates using well known synthetic oils (Mobile 1 for instance). You could also find a dealer with some oil change coupons and have them do it for a reasonable cost. I would also do the oil filter since they are pretty much a cost of less than $10.00 at the most.
 
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Some Honda owners leave the factory fill oil in for 29,000 miles:

I have actually seen this myself. A lady friend of mine who has zero mechanical knowledge ran her Mini Cooper for about 20k miles before changing oil.
 

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Oil change intervals tend to bring out the worst in people acting like their interval is THE deciding factor in whether the engine will be good for 1 million miles vs 100,000 miles.

The reality is this. The manual and programmed intervals are supposed to eliminate these fears. These were designed by the guys who engineered the vehicle. That means that they believe that if you change it at 0% you should have statistically the same engine lifespan as anybody who does it more frequently.

People will swear by their "cheap insurance" or whatever yada yada, but smells, colors, etc mean nothing. Don't let fears make the decision for you. If someone shows oil analysis indicating it should be done more frequently, then at least you can use that as reference.

Look, do what makes you sleep easier at night. If changing it every 3,000 miles is what makes you comfortable then fine, but I'd argue that you should do the same for ALL fluids then. Maybe you should change your transmission fluid every few months so that it's fresh fluid every year. 100k coolant isn't what my daddy did, so maybe every year for that to.

My understand is that unless the manual indicates it has special oil from the factory, then it does not.
 

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The reality is this. The manual and programmed intervals are supposed to eliminate these fears. These were designed by the guys who engineered the vehicle. That means that they believe that if you change it at 0% you should have statistically the same engine lifespan as anybody who does it more frequently.
There's always going to be somebody who wants to out-guess or out-think the vehicle manufacturer's advice.
Then there are those who don't want to be told by a "computer" how to maintain their vehicle.

My understand is that unless the manual indicates it has special oil from the factory, then it does not.
At one time, Honda recommended in the owner's manual that the factory fill oil not be changed until the scheduled maintenance time.
Before the maintenance minder was introduced, that could have been as short as 3,750 miles or as long as 7,500 miles, but not longer than one year.
Since the MM was introduced, that interval is whatever the oil life display indicates, but, again, not longer than one year.
I don't recall the owner's manual ever stating that the factory fill oil was in any way "special".
 

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The manual does not say so as it serves the owner no good. I have read though that Honda, as do most manufacturers, puts in a slightly different formula of oil when it is shipped from the factory, that is specifically designed for a new engine. It has, if memory serves me correctly, a bit more cleaning additives to help remove the last traces of the lubricants used in manufacturing.

I'll try to find that article if I can. It was a couple of years ago. It was interesting too, to note that most manufactures static test all of their engines these days, before they are installed in vehicles.
 
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