Well, after lurking for a month or two on this site, I am pleased to announce that I finally brought home our SS EX-L yesterday. We had wanted one for about a year now, but missed a few chances to get one for three grand off MSRP, as we were waiting for the arrival of our first child. After the stork dropped him off last month we decided it was time to get a family-mobile. After much negotiating and price comparisons, I finally closed the deal for $300 over invoice. Got free VIN etching (value? nada cost? $289 if you're crazy enough to pay for it) after refusing the "required" fee for it. The Pilot was still covered in plastic wrap on the dealer's backlot after being delivered Saturday night, but they had already etched it by Monday morning. Also got free oil changes for a year and a Hondacare 100K/no deductible warranty for $795 (thanks in large part to this site) after the finance manager first pitched a 75K aftermarket warranty (ie. no loaner car included) with a $50 deductible for $1300 or so. A little information can stretch one's budget pretty far....though I doubt I'll get an invitation to the dealer's Christmas party. Anyway, I consider it a victory at last and look forward to many happy years of being a Pioloteer!