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I guess a word about dealer ratings.
I was having trouble for the longest time to compile the definite list of honda dealerships, and only found a so-so sort for the list. Maybe Tim can help out with the complete list, preferably in electronic format?
Regards,
Daniel (admin)
I was having trouble for the longest time to compile the definite list of honda dealerships, and only found a so-so sort for the list. Maybe Tim can help out with the complete list, preferably in electronic format?
Regards,
Daniel (admin)
So, we seem to be talking about different things. The dealer ratings are grown organically. That is, it's up to the members to rate their dealer, and leave a comment. For example, the sister acuramdx.org site has 258 dealerships rated by 1535 people.
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Isn't this where we start an endless series of cheesehead jokes?dntsne1 said:
Boston dealers
Called Cambridge Honda - where I bought an Accord. They're asking $900.00 over MSRP and will be putting on options. Said that's the lowest premium.
It's not. I went into Herb Chambers Honda in Boston and put down a deposit for a silver one at MSRP, no extra options.
I expect the demand for Pilots will ramp quickly and that a long waiting list will develop. This car is more completely thought out than the Odyssey - which still took off pretty quickly.
They couldn't even guess when they'd get a beige one (wife's choice) and they're scheduled to get one silver (wife's second choice) by August.
As wait list builds, I expect more dealer packs. The Pilot has a lot of option choices and that's a lot of green to dangle in front of a dealer.
Called Cambridge Honda - where I bought an Accord. They're asking $900.00 over MSRP and will be putting on options. Said that's the lowest premium.
It's not. I went into Herb Chambers Honda in Boston and put down a deposit for a silver one at MSRP, no extra options.
I expect the demand for Pilots will ramp quickly and that a long waiting list will develop. This car is more completely thought out than the Odyssey - which still took off pretty quickly.
They couldn't even guess when they'd get a beige one (wife's choice) and they're scheduled to get one silver (wife's second choice) by August.
As wait list builds, I expect more dealer packs. The Pilot has a lot of option choices and that's a lot of green to dangle in front of a dealer.
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Hmm, every thing I have every heard about Honda dealers and their ability to order colors has not panned out. This is how I understand how it works... Honda dealers are allocated a certain number (style, color, trim level, etc.) based upon past sales. They have no control over what they are allocated. However, they are able to trade between dealers to get the styles and color they want. In any case, I don't think they can order anything.
The only other possibility is that Sandstone is going into production early and they are showing it on their allocation sheet. I doubt this because I looked at 3 allocation sheets of various dealer this weekend that were out into July and there was not even a hint of Sandstone (or Sage Brush).
Now, Acura dealers, that's a differnt story. I believe they can order whatever they want and get it.
I would be very suspicious of what this dealer is telling you. Sounds like they are trying to keep you from looking around at other dealers. When the car doesn't come in they give you a story about it 'being held' or 'production is backed up' or 'it's on it way, be hear any day'. Kinda like the checks in the mail.
Of course I could be wrong:31:
The only other possibility is that Sandstone is going into production early and they are showing it on their allocation sheet. I doubt this because I looked at 3 allocation sheets of various dealer this weekend that were out into July and there was not even a hint of Sandstone (or Sage Brush).
Now, Acura dealers, that's a differnt story. I believe they can order whatever they want and get it.
I would be very suspicious of what this dealer is telling you. Sounds like they are trying to keep you from looking around at other dealers. When the car doesn't come in they give you a story about it 'being held' or 'production is backed up' or 'it's on it way, be hear any day'. Kinda like the checks in the mail.
Of course I could be wrong:31:
I disagree
The reason why I disagree is because I switched my order last night to a dealership that has not even been open for 1 year and they are ordering my pilot in a couple of weeks (that is when they can place the next order). This is from a very good friend who is the GM of the dealership.
Thanks,
Pat
The reason why I disagree is because I switched my order last night to a dealership that has not even been open for 1 year and they are ordering my pilot in a couple of weeks (that is when they can place the next order). This is from a very good friend who is the GM of the dealership.
Thanks,
Pat
Ever heard the term "buyer beware".
Auto dealers have a reputation as a group. Ever wonder why?
How many of your friends in high school or college had selected car sales as their 1st choice in careers?
Ever heard the stories about the used car salesman?
yada yada yada
Moral of the story:
(a) There are some ethical car sales people [e.g. straight forward, honest, etc.].
(b) Challenge is to find them.
If the stuff above didn't answer the question for you, then go to one of the Honda dealers that are offering the Pilot at MSRP + $4,000 and let them explain to you why you would be stupid not to buy at this great price 'cause the price may go up tomorrow!!
There are some good, ethical dealers who don't view every potential buyer as a "mark". Read the Dealer Ratings, buy from the ones that have treated others fairly.
Auto dealers have a reputation as a group. Ever wonder why?
How many of your friends in high school or college had selected car sales as their 1st choice in careers?
Ever heard the stories about the used car salesman?
yada yada yada
Moral of the story:
(a) There are some ethical car sales people [e.g. straight forward, honest, etc.].
(b) Challenge is to find them.
If the stuff above didn't answer the question for you, then go to one of the Honda dealers that are offering the Pilot at MSRP + $4,000 and let them explain to you why you would be stupid not to buy at this great price 'cause the price may go up tomorrow!!
There are some good, ethical dealers who don't view every potential buyer as a "mark". Read the Dealer Ratings, buy from the ones that have treated others fairly.
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I agree, but it is SOOO hard to find the honest ones. Even the ones that seem honest, friendly, willing to do anything for you, etc. can turn out to be liars and thieves. The sad part is that they have become soo good at parting you from your money, you might never even realize what happened.srpbep said:
My grandfather used to say, "if you leave the lot and they hate you, ask you to never come back again, you know you got a good deal."
New Weapon
There is a new weapon in the war against "crime" [sorry, word seemed to fit]. The internet has made information available, and quickly, to all of us.
Sooooo, do your homework, spend some time reading. ALSO, you need to contribute as well [if all anyone did was read what others wrote, there would be no one writing!!].
Look at the overall stats. Specifically, 50 read good reviews and a single bad one probably means that this is good [we all have bad days, the reviewer might be the problem, etc.]. If the ratings are 1 great review and 50 pans, then shame on you if go there.
PS to Threadhead: I take a slightly different view of business. I would like to see any business make a reasonable profit. If they don't, they go out of business. Read the posts on the MDX site about HondacuraWorld. If Tim didn't make money for the dealer, then he and/or the dealer would go away. In order for Tim to provide service/advise, there needs to be enough margin to warrant the expediture. Hey, it's all common sense, sorry to be on my soapbox. I just have a thing about trying to buy something at 2 cents over dealer cost [that "don't work"]. On the other hand, sellling a vehicle at MSRP + 4K is the pedulum on the other side of the arc [think that is pure greed today, to hell with tomorrow attitude].
There is a new weapon in the war against "crime" [sorry, word seemed to fit]. The internet has made information available, and quickly, to all of us.
Sooooo, do your homework, spend some time reading. ALSO, you need to contribute as well [if all anyone did was read what others wrote, there would be no one writing!!].
Look at the overall stats. Specifically, 50 read good reviews and a single bad one probably means that this is good [we all have bad days, the reviewer might be the problem, etc.]. If the ratings are 1 great review and 50 pans, then shame on you if go there.
PS to Threadhead: I take a slightly different view of business. I would like to see any business make a reasonable profit. If they don't, they go out of business. Read the posts on the MDX site about HondacuraWorld. If Tim didn't make money for the dealer, then he and/or the dealer would go away. In order for Tim to provide service/advise, there needs to be enough margin to warrant the expediture. Hey, it's all common sense, sorry to be on my soapbox. I just have a thing about trying to buy something at 2 cents over dealer cost [that "don't work"]. On the other hand, sellling a vehicle at MSRP + 4K is the pedulum on the other side of the arc [think that is pure greed today, to hell with tomorrow attitude].
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Re: New Weapon
What I was trying to say, that wasn't worded very well, was that even when you think you got a good deal, many times you didn't. And I'm speaking from experience
Helping people, car buyers in this case, with the ins/out of car buying, giving them a better understanding of where car dealers can make additional profit helps the consumer understand just how much the dealer is making in profit. Then, the buyer can be the judge if that profit is reasonable for them or not. But if you don't know, then it is very difficult to determine if you 'got a good deal' or not.
Second, the value of such a forum as this to help everyone find the dealer that best fits their qualifications (best price, better service, location, etc) is invaluable. Like just about everything in life, the more educated we are about a subject, the better decisions we make. And all of us are smarter consumers by participating here.
BTW, few people sit higher in my book than Tim. He is honest, provides excellent service, and works very hard for his customers. IMO, he deserves all the $ he gets and then some.
I agree with you 100%! Every business has to make a profit. I'm not talking about trying to get something for nothing, and I don't think others were trying to say that either. I was talking about the dishonesty in the car selling business that bothers me (I'm not talking about Tim here), not all business.srpbep said:
What I was trying to say, that wasn't worded very well, was that even when you think you got a good deal, many times you didn't. And I'm speaking from experience
Helping people, car buyers in this case, with the ins/out of car buying, giving them a better understanding of where car dealers can make additional profit helps the consumer understand just how much the dealer is making in profit. Then, the buyer can be the judge if that profit is reasonable for them or not. But if you don't know, then it is very difficult to determine if you 'got a good deal' or not.
Second, the value of such a forum as this to help everyone find the dealer that best fits their qualifications (best price, better service, location, etc) is invaluable. Like just about everything in life, the more educated we are about a subject, the better decisions we make. And all of us are smarter consumers by participating here.
BTW, few people sit higher in my book than Tim. He is honest, provides excellent service, and works very hard for his customers. IMO, he deserves all the $ he gets and then some.
How can I add car dealers if they are not in the pull down menu? I went to planet honda on route 22 and vip handa of NJ but both were not on the list.
I think we should consider how much they charge as part of our dealer rating especially most people are in the initial purchase stage at this point. The dealer rating includes whether or how much over charge MSRP will provide important information for most of us.
I think we should consider how much they charge as part of our dealer rating especially most people are in the initial purchase stage at this point. The dealer rating includes whether or how much over charge MSRP will provide important information for most of us.
Pilots at MSRP
Where is South Dakota on the dealer ratings?? I have been in contact with two dealers here in the midwest and both are selling at MSRP. Maybe some of you that are paying $2-5000.00 more than sticker should have looked around.... if you are willing to travel??
Where is South Dakota on the dealer ratings?? I have been in contact with two dealers here in the midwest and both are selling at MSRP. Maybe some of you that are paying $2-5000.00 more than sticker should have looked around.... if you are willing to travel??
If the dealer is not on the list, please let me know (via <a href="mailto:[email protected]">email</a>) right away and I will add the necessary info.
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Thanks,
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