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My 13 pilot won't start. Ran great parked it and an hour later it cranks fine but won't fire. Pulled codes and found approximately 30 various codes. Only thing I can think of is a bad PCM. Checked all connections and grounds. Don't know how to verify PCM condition.
 

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Start with stupid-easy stuff like main fuses. The PCM is pretty bulletproof in these cars. Plus, since you are getting codes from it. it's still at least partially working.

Year, miles, maintenance history? Any funny noises or symptoms prior to or during your attempts to start? Worked on anything in the car recently?

I have yet to figure out why folks jump to a very expensive solution first.
 

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It's a 2013 with 135000 miles. I have checked every fuse and relay. It was running perfectly when I shut it off. It won't fire when I sprayed starting fluid in it but I verified it has a spark. Verified 55 psi fuel pressure in the engine compartment. Checked every body ground connection.
 

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Have you checked to make sure your timing belt didn't break?

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No I have not visually check it but it cranks over fine it's obvious there is nothing interfering with each other inside the engine
 

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No I have not visually check it but it cranks over fine it's obvious there is nothing interfering with each other inside the engine
It will crank just fine with a broken belt. I would give it a look.

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The timing belt water pump service was done about 10,000 miles ago along with spark plugs and transmission fluid change
 

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The timing belt water pump service was done about 10,000 miles ago along with spark plugs and transmission fluid change
Even more reason to check.
 
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Car Scanner ELM OBD2
DTC report
Selected brand: Honda
VIN: 5FNYF4H9XDB044218

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P0977(02)
Raw code: 097702
ECU: 1D
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: Shift solenoid (SS) B - circuit high
Honda: Open in Shift Solenoid Valve B Circuit
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P0976(02)
Raw code: 097602
ECU: 1D
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: Shift solenoid (SS) B - circuit low
Honda: Short in Shift Solenoid Valve B Circuit
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P0974(02)
Raw code: 097402
ECU: 1D
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: Shift solenoid (SS) A - circuit high
Honda: Open in Shift Solenoid Valve A Circuit
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P0973(02)
Raw code: 097302
ECU: 1D
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: Shift solenoid (SS) A - circuit low
Honda: Short in Shift Solenoid Valve A Circuit
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P0706(02)
Raw code: 070602
ECU: 1D
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: Transmission range (TR) sensor - range/performance problem
Honda: Open in Transmission Range Switch Circuit
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P0705(02)
Raw code: 070502
ECU: 1D
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: Transmission range (TR) sensor, PRNDL input - circuit malfunction
Honda: Short in Transmission Range Switch Circuit (Multiple Shift-position Input)
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P2227(00)
Raw code: 222700
ECU: 11
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: Barometric pressure (BARO) sensor - range/performance problem
Honda: Barometric Pressure (BARO) Sensor Circuit Range/Performance Problem
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P2413(00)
Raw code: 241300
ECU: 11
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: Exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) system - performance problem
Honda: Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) System Range/Performance Problem
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P0404(00)
Raw code: 040400
ECU: 11
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: Exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) system - range/performance problem
Honda: Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Control Circuit Range/Performance Problem
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P0111(00)
Raw code: 011100
ECU: 11
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: Intake air temperature (IAT) sensor - range/performance problem
Honda: Intake Air Temperature (IAT) Sensor Circuit Range/Performance Problem
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P0369(00)
Raw code: 036900
ECU: 11
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: Camshaft position (CMP) sensor B, bank 1 - circuit intermittent
Honda: Camshaft Position (CMP) Sensor B Intermittent Interruption
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P0365(00)
Raw code: 036500
ECU: 11
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: Camshaft position (CMP) sensor B, bank 1 - circuit malfunction
Honda: Camshaft Position (CMP) Sensor B No Signal
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P1129(00)
Raw code: 112900
ECU: 11
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: Downstream Heated O2 Sensors Swapped
Honda: Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) Sensor Circuit Higher Than Expected
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P1128(00)
Raw code: 112800
ECU: 11
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: Upstream Heated O2 Sensors Swapped
Honda: Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) Sensor Circuit Lower Than Expected
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P0339(00)
Raw code: 033900
ECU: 11
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: Crankshaft position (CKP) sensor - circuit intermittent
Honda: Crankshaft Position (CKP) Sensor Circuit Intermittent Interruption
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P0335(00)
Raw code: 033500
ECU: 11
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: Crankshaft position (CKP) sensor - circuit malfunction
Honda: Crankshaft Position (CKP) Sensor Circuit No Signal
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P0630(00)
Raw code: 063000
ECU: 11
Status: Test not completed during this operation cycle
OBDII: VIN not programmed or mismatch - ECM/PCM
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P0108
Raw code: 0108
ECU: 11
Status: Permanent
OBDII: Manifold absolute pressure (MAP) sensor/barometric pressure (BARO) sensor - high input
Honda: Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) Sensor Circuit High Voltage
 

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To have all those codes pop at once, something happened. It's odd that you can't get it to fire with starting fluid even though you have spark. Could have possibly jumped time because of a loose tensioner?
Maybe @Slvr7 might have some thoughts.
 

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2 things come to mind in this situation. First, a rodent made a snack of your wiring harness, secondly and far less likely is a lightning strike.
 

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2 things come to mind in this situation. First, a rodent made a snack of your wiring harness, secondly and far less likely is a lightning strike.
137061

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FWIW, those codes stacked together like that say that the belt has failed or jumped timing. The camshaft position codes with e VCM solenoid codes are telltales. Internal interference from a timing belt jump are silent events from the cabin. The pistons "kiss" valves that are open as the piston gets to top center, hitting them just enough to slightly bend the head of the valve and prevent sealing. This too frequently happens on start-up, when you might get a backfire as you let the key off of crank position before the engine actually fires. Engine spins backwards for a moment, tensioner is in the wrong place for spinning backwards, and the belt moves on the crank sprocket.

What to do: Pull the top belt covers and verify the cam timing. If it isn't correct and there's no warranty on the belt replacement work, correct the timing and check compression if it doesn't start/run correctly. A bent valve will cause low compression. If the work is still under warranty, have the servicing agent flatbed the car and deliver a rental to you.

"Replacing the timing belt" involves a bunch of related parts and service. The idlers and tensioner plus the water pump are replaced. You should get new plugs at the same time, plus the valve clearances are checked. New coolant and often engine oil change are part of the deal. Verify that those things were done with the belt replacement. While you have the covers off, verify that you actually have a new belt.
 
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