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The new Pilot has been pulling slightly to the passenger side (if I let go of the steering wheel I've got about 5 seconds before the Pilot goes offroading). So she went back to the dealer for an alignment. They found the toe and camber to be out of spec. They were able to adjust the toe but can't adjust the camber.

Has anyone else seen this? My guess would be no.

The vehicle was a demo with only a few hundred km's on it. I imagine someone bounced a curb. Usually if one hit's something that hard, there's a mark left on the tire or the rim. I can't find one.
 

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If they can't adjust the camber then you need to take it to a real alignment shop and try to have the dealerr pay for it. A good shop can adjust it, even if they have to bend stuff to do it. I had a Ford Van back in 87 the dealer never could get aligned right, finally took it to the right place and they did it. Was scary, they chained it down on a rack and jacked it in different places to bend stuff, but they fixed the problem.
 

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Mine pulls to the right also. I had a friend of a friend tell me that he used to work for Honda and that the Odessey had this problem also. He said that he quit Honda before the Pilot came out, but he thought the same thing would happen with the Pilot since the Odessey was made on the same frame. BTW, he was a mechanic with them. I need to bring mine in too, but it just seems like I never have time. He told me exactly what it was that caused it but I can't remember what it was. I will try to talk to him again and find out.
 

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Thanks AlH, it may be the way to go. Never easy to see that much money sitting "on the rack".

FLPilot, would be interested to hear what they find with yours. Hopefully it's a simple toe misalign.

Dealer was to call me back today, didn't, should be an interesting next few days.
 

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Yeah, I probably wont get in until next week. I will post what the findings are.
 

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metallocene said:
The new Pilot has been pulling slightly to the passenger side (if I let go of the steering wheel I've got about 5 seconds before the Pilot goes offroading). So she went back to the dealer for an alignment. They found the toe and camber to be out of spec. They were able to adjust the toe but can't adjust the camber.

Has anyone else seen this? My guess would be no.

The vehicle was a demo with only a few hundred km's on it. I imagine someone bounced a curb. Usually if one hit's something that hard, there's a mark left on the tire or the rim. I can't find one.
Mine had 5 miles when I test drove and notice the pull, to the right, on certain road. But it wouldn't pull so much sometimes when it is on the left lane/passing lane on some highway.

I had it checked out the dealer, put they say everything is according to specs.

Keep us posted on what you find out.
 

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Manufacturer's alignment specs are actually quite broad, since the vehicle is "aligned" while on the assembly line. Your Pilot can be within "specs" and still pull to the right or left. What we really need is for an alignment specialist to come up with some tighter specs for our Pilots. If anyone takes their Pilot in to a specialty shop, please let us know to what specs they have aligned your Pilot.
 

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ck55 said:


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If anyone takes their Pilot in to a specialty shop, please let us know to what specs they have aligned your Pilot.
...just make sure you don't take your Pilot in to this place...!!! :eek:
 

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...just make sure you don't take your Pilot in to this place...!!! :eek:
Good one Kemo. Where did you get all the funny images on this and other threads?
 

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metallocene said:
The new Pilot has been pulling slightly to the passenger side (if I let go of the steering wheel I've got about 5 seconds before the Pilot goes offroading). So she went back to the dealer for an alignment. They found the toe and camber to be out of spec. They were able to adjust the toe but can't adjust the camber.

Has anyone else seen this? My guess would be no.

The vehicle was a demo with only a few hundred km's on it. I imagine someone bounced a curb. Usually if one hit's something that hard, there's a mark left on the tire or the rim. I can't find one.
I noticed a slight pull to the left a few weeks ago. It seemed to be doing it intermittently or only on certain roads, so I wasn't sure what was going on - was it the car or the roads???
I thought it was a new pull, however. I took it to the tire shop where I got my Michelins and they said to take it to an alignment shop. I did and they found the alignment of both the front and back to be slightly off. They adjusted it for $65. They thought that probably it had come from Honda misaligned. Who knows? I didn't take it back to the dealer as I don't trust them.

Anyway, now I can let go of the steering wheel and I stay in a perfectly straight line.
 

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Did you notice any tire wear with the misalignment? I just did a tire rotation, and noticed some feathering on the outside edges of the front tires. The car doesn't pull, and tracks fairly well.
 

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Did you notice any tire wear with the misalignment? I just did a tire rotation, and noticed some feathering on the outside edges of the front tires. The car doesn't pull, and tracks fairly well.
Didn't notice any wear, nor did the tire shop. The tires have about 2K on them.
 

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Kemo, thanks :)

Talked to the dealer today, they are in discussions with Honda as to what to do and who will pay. Will get back to me sometime in the next few days.

The crown (slope/drainage) of the road really affects the pull. Driving in the slow lane the crown falls off to the passenger side and the pull is quite pronounced. The passing lane has the crown falling off to the drivers side, the pull is only slightly to passenger side.

There's no usual wear to be seen, only 1200 miles.

2GREENCARS, sounds like they did a 4 wheel alignment on yours, you give me hope. Would be interested in hearing to what specs they adjusted your wheels. Did they give you a print out?
 

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The crown (slope/drainage) of the road really affects the pull. Driving in the slow lane the crown falls off to the passenger side and the pull is quite pronounced. The passing lane has the crown falling off to the drivers side, the pull is only slightly to passenger side.


I'm still wondering why drainage crown effect some cars, but not others. My Camry and CRV have no pull whatsoever on local hiway, but not Pilot?!? :rolleyes:
 

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it is perfectly normal for a vehicle to drift right after 5 seconds, if you fall asleep would you like it to drift left into oncoming traffic??
my first question is what in the hell are you doing driving with no hands????????????
camber and toe are not your problem. if anything it's a caster issue, a honda will generally pull to the low side if the caster is .5 degrees off or more.
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I think the rule-of-thumb for misalignment (as far as a manufacturer is concerned) is 7 or 8 seconds for a look-ma-no-hands lane change. The road crown will cause some drift (how much probably depends on tires, too, I'd imagine), but it's too often used as a dealer excuse for not fixing excessive drift or, worse, pull. There's a difference between occassional correction, constant correction, and fighting the wheel.

While we're on the subject, who can explain why mine was tracking perfectly straight until I had my tires rotated (hand torqued the lugs, too). It now drifts left. :8:
 

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chip said:
it is perfectly normal for a vehicle to drift right after 5 seconds, if you fall asleep would you like it to drift left into oncoming traffic??
my first question is what in the hell are you doing driving with no hands????????????
camber and toe are not your problem. if anything it's a caster issue, a honda will generally pull to the low side if the caster is .5 degrees off or more.
Chip
Sorry to drift, but hey Chip where in FL? If you don't mind go to the Florida list and sign up.

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Drifting

Try checking your tire pressure - especially if the drifting started after a rotation.

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I've seen drift set in after a front-back tire rotation on other cars. Solution was to then swap front tires left-right. Conjecture is that the tires can take a "set" from where they are mounted (torque, road crown, who knows what?).
 

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It's not a tire-pressure issue...check that all the time. I understand the concept of "taking a set". I was hoping they'd sorta "re-set" themselves, to tell ya the truth :) Does that (or can that) happen, or should I just do a L/R swap on the fronts? (from feel it feels like the fronts are the culprit)
 
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