[Hogan773]

For a long time Honda tried to bring hybrid tech in as a performance option, like the MDX Hybrid (Sport Hybrid I think they called it?) and the 7th gen Accord which paired the J30 with the hybrid system. Can't think of any examples that sold well, most people would rather their performance model have forced induction to get more power than a hybrid system.

Yeah but that has changed now and a lot of supercars are using hybrid for extra torque. You're talking about the days when Hybrid meant Dork Driving a Prius or Insight and listening to Phish while eating Ben and Jerry's and on the way home to tend their organic community garden

 

[21EXL]

Dork Driving a Prius or Insight and listening to Phish while eating Ben and Jerry's and on the way home to tend their organic community garden

They still do. 😁😁

 

[cintocrunch]

Yeah but that has changed now and a lot of supercars are using hybrid for extra torque. You're talking about the days when Hybrid meant Dork Driving a Prius or Insight and listening to Phish while eating Ben and Jerry's and on the way home to tend their organic community garden

Still does...

If the Revuelto had a non hybrid version as an option it would sell 10x the hybrid version. Sure, there are a few (just like the MDX Sport Hybrid) who like the idea of hybrid maximizing power but most like the most power with the least complication.

Not that I have the money but for pretty much any vehicle available, I'd go with the non-hybrid version if I were choosing.

 

[kb_112]

Yeah but that has changed now and a lot of supercars are using hybrid for extra torque. You're talking about the days when Hybrid meant Dork Driving a Prius or Insight and listening to Phish while eating Ben and Jerry's and on the way home to tend their organic community garden

I fu**ing love me some Ben and Jerry’s though. Netflix and Chill, great flavor and pastime. 😛

 

[kb_112]

Dupe

 

[EdT]

There is no need for the Pilot to get any better MPG. I think us owners would prefer the "proven" old J35 V6. Yes, the J35Y8 is new, but it's still the same engine. Carrying the MPG flag would be Civic, Accord, CRV, HRV and Prelude, to reach the CAFE numbers. I don't imagine there will be hybrid Pilot, Odyssey, or Ridgeline. Oh, and Passport.

I would bet these other Honda (large) vehicles will get the J35Y8 at the next refreshing, rather than I4Turbo or hybrid. In the uncertain world of EV and the now back on Nissan merger, I would think they want to save resources, and see in the short term.

Honda could make no bigger mistake than killing the J35Y8. That engine is now a niche engine for them, given so many others that have forsaken their V6s for turbo 4s. The V6 was without question the deciding factor in buying my 24TS vs. a Toyota Grand Highlander, and I haven't been at all sorry. No turbo lag or repairs for this ole' codger.

 

[lowmpg]

yes, the expected long term reliability of the Honda V6 and watching the electric rear axle on the grand highlander max overheat on some basic offroad tests on youtube sealed the deal to go Pilot TS. $10k+ cheaper as well.

 

[Alex1_]

Why do you want a hybrid? To save the planet or to save money? I'm looking at a Toyota Grand Highlander, and hybrids are $5,000 more expensive. Simple math: a hybrid will probably get 10 mpg better than a non-hybrid, and only on certain trim levels. Let's take 100,000 miles and divide them by 10 mpg. We'll have 1,000 gallons of difference in fuel economy between the hybrid and non-hybrid versions. 1,000 gallons multiplied by the price of gas: 1,000 * 3 = $3,000. Now tell me, will you drive your car 100,000 miles? Another question: when you pay 5 grand more for a car upfront, you'll pay interest on that 5 grand while you're paying off your car loan. Just think about it. Hybrids are a scam.

 

[blairellis]

Why do you want a hybrid? To save the planet or to save money? I'm looking at a Toyota Grand Highlander, and hybrids are $5,000 more expensive. Simple math: a hybrid will probably get 10 mpg better than a non-hybrid, and only on certain trim levels. Let's take 100,000 miles and divide them by 10 mpg. We'll have 1,000 gallons of difference in fuel economy between the hybrid and non-hybrid versions. 1,000 gallons multiplied by the price of gas: 1,000 * 3 = $3,000. Now tell me, will you drive your car 100,000 miles? Another question: when you pay 5 grand more for a car upfront, you'll pay interest on that 5 grand while you're paying off your car loan. Just think about it. Hybrids are a scam.

That’s not even considering battery replacement costs at that point, either. So tack on another couple grand.

 

[xiewei1989]

Why do you want a hybrid? To save the planet or to save money? I'm looking at a Toyota Grand Highlander, and hybrids are $5,000 more expensive. Simple math: a hybrid will probably get 10 mpg better than a non-hybrid, and only on certain trim levels. Let's take 100,000 miles and divide them by 10 mpg. We'll have 1,000 gallons of difference in fuel economy between the hybrid and non-hybrid versions. 1,000 gallons multiplied by the price of gas: 1,000 * 3 = $3,000. Now tell me, will you drive your car 100,000 miles? Another question: when you pay 5 grand more for a car upfront, you'll pay interest on that 5 grand while you're paying off your car loan. Just think about it. Hybrids are a scam.

I think other than fuel economy, hybrid offers better NVH. It is smoother and quieter compared to a comparable gas engine. The big boxy Pilot can also benefit from the torque of the electric motor off the line. I would also assume that the future hybrid Pilot will not have a rough shifting gearbox (though I don't think the 10-speed is that bad).
Otherwise, I agree with you. Hybrid does not always save money, especially if you are paying too much premium upfront. That is why I chose Pilot against the Grand Highlander hybrid.

 

[Hogan773]

I think other than fuel economy, hybrid offers better NVH. It is smoother and quieter compared to a comparable gas engine. The big boxy Pilot can also benefit from the torque of the electric motor off the line. I would also assume that the future hybrid Pilot will not have a rough shifting gearbox (though I don't think the 10-speed is that bad).
Otherwise, I agree with you. Hybrid does not always save money, especially if you are paying too much premium upfront. That is why I chose Pilot against the Grand Highlander hybrid.

In the case of my Accord, I love the Hybrid. Totally better driving feel ("electric smooth") and since they only offer hybrid on the middle and upper trims, you aren't paying an explicit premium JUST for the hybrid drivetrain. I do understand that if they came out with a Pilot Elite in gas engine and another Elite with Hybrid, and it cost $5000 more to add the hybrid and that is all that was different, that it might be harder for me to grab it based just on fuel savings alone

 

[xiewei1989]

I think other than fuel economy, hybrid offers better NVH. It is smoother and quieter compared to a comparable gas engine. The big boxy Pilot can also benefit from the torque of the electric motor off the line. I would also assume that the future hybrid Pilot will not have a rough shifting gearbox (though I don't think the 10-speed is that bad).
Otherwise, I agree with you. Hybrid does not always save money, especially if you are paying too much premium upfront. That is why I chose Pilot against the Grand Highlander hybrid.

In the case of my Accord, I love the Hybrid. Totally better driving feel ("electric smooth") and since they only offer hybrid on the middle and upper trims, you aren't paying an explicit premium JUST for the hybrid drivetrain. I do understand that if they came out with a Pilot Elite in gas engine and another Elite with Hybrid, and it cost $5000 more to add the hybrid and that is all that was different, that it might be harder for me to grab it based just on fuel savings alone

Probably Honda will do the same thing on the Pilot. Higher trims will be hybrid only.

 

[Alex1_]

Probably Honda will do the same thing on the Pilot. Higher trims will be hybrid only.

I hope they'll give us a choice, like Toyota did, even at high trim levels. Not everyone wants to carry a battery under their kids' butts. I'd say if you're buying a car for driving to work alone, then a hybrid is a good option, since both the battery and electric motors are usually located on the rear axle. Yes, motors do emit electromagnetic radiation, especially under load, and it quickly diminishes exponentially over distance, but it's still there. As for the battery, it's a bit different: there's no radiation, but there is a potential, albeit small, risk of gas leakage, and of course, a fire.

 

[Alex1_]

I think other than fuel economy, hybrid offers better NVH. It is smoother and quieter compared to a comparable gas engine. The big boxy Pilot can also benefit from the torque of the electric motor off the line. I would also assume that the future hybrid Pilot will not have a rough shifting gearbox (though I don't think the 10-speed is that bad).
Otherwise, I agree with you. Hybrid does not always save money, especially if you are paying too much premium upfront. That is why I chose Pilot against the Grand Highlander hybrid.

I really wanted Pilot, but I couldn't wait for its release and bought Acura. As a result, it has a terrible creaking /ticking noises in the cabin, some of which I couldn't fix, and the dealership never fixed the rest, because they can't hear them. I also had to replace the lower engine block twice after just 30,000 miles, replaced the middle CV joint, the motor, and the cabin air blower. Also, when I bought it new, the wheel alignment was terrible. I went to get it fixed at the dealership, but they didn't even touch it, just pretended. This was confirmed when I went to a different dealership. In short, this is the kind of luxury that car owners get. I'm happy for you that you have a Pilot.

 

[xiewei1989]

I think other than fuel economy, hybrid offers better NVH. It is smoother and quieter compared to a comparable gas engine. The big boxy Pilot can also benefit from the torque of the electric motor off the line. I would also assume that the future hybrid Pilot will not have a rough shifting gearbox (though I don't think the 10-speed is that bad).
Otherwise, I agree with you. Hybrid does not always save money, especially if you are paying too much premium upfront. That is why I chose Pilot against the Grand Highlander hybrid.

I really wanted Pilot, but I couldn't wait for its release and bought Acura. As a result, it has a terrible creaking /ticking noises in the cabin, some of which I couldn't fix, and the dealership never fixed the rest, because they can't hear them. I also had to replace the lower engine block twice after just 30,000 miles, replaced the middle CV joint, the motor, and the cabin air blower. Also, when I bought it new, the wheel alignment was terrible. I went to get it fixed at the dealership, but they didn't even touch it, just pretended. This was confirmed when I went to a different dealership. In short, this is the kind of luxury that car owners get. I'm happy for you that you have a Pilot.

I don’t think Honda is any better in terms reliability compared to Acura. You are probably just unlucky and got a lemon?
For creaking/ticking noise, I think it is a widespread problem for Honda/Acura? Both of my 18 Accord and 24 Pilot got some random noises which can be annoying but I never cared to ask the dealer to fix.

 

[Hogan773]

I hope they'll give us a choice, like Toyota did, even at high trim levels. Not everyone wants to carry a battery under their kids' butts. I'd say if you're buying a car for driving to work alone, then a hybrid is a good option, since both the battery and electric motors are usually located on the rear axle. Yes, motors do emit electromagnetic radiation, especially under load, and it quickly diminishes exponentially over distance, but it's still there. As for the battery, it's a bit different: there's no radiation, but there is a potential, albeit small, risk of gas leakage, and of course, a fire.

Wow that's a new one for me. I guess there's always something else one can worry about.

Seems any such EMR is very small low frequency and thus not a true risk. And in my Accord the electric motor is most definitely in the engine bay and not under the rear axle. Not sure how they would do it on an AWD Pilot, maybe a two motor system?

I believe the batteries in these hybrid systems are lithium and those are sealed and don't off gas unless they are damaged

 

[21EXL]

Wow that's a new one for me. I guess there's always something else one can worry about.

You haven't seen all the news reports about people getting microwaved in their hybrids? 😄😄

 

[Hogan773]

You haven't seen all the news reports about people getting microwaved in their hybrids? 😄😄

I think like most of these things, tin foil is the answer. Wear a full body suit made of tin foil while driving or riding in your hybrid vehicle. This will protect you from the EMV that is pouring out of your electric drive motor and also has a side benefit of blocking any mind control radio waves that might be coming from the deep state

 

[Ldubs]

I hope they'll give us a choice, like Toyota did, even at high trim levels. Not everyone wants to carry a battery under their kids' butts. I'd say if you're buying a car for driving to work alone, then a hybrid is a good option, since both the battery and electric motors are usually located on the rear axle. Yes, motors do emit electromagnetic radiation, especially under load, and it quickly diminishes exponentially over distance, but it's still there. As for the battery, it's a bit different: there's no radiation, but there is a potential, albeit small, risk of gas leakage, and of course, a fire.

"Not everyone wants to carry a battery under their kids' butts."

But 18 gallons of class 1 flammable liquid is just fine.

 

[xiewei1989]

Statistics do show that hybrid cars are more likely to catch fire compared to gas or EV, there the EV is the least likely. This is mostly because hybrid has both flammable liquid and combustion engine and the battery. Fire risks of hybrid, EV and ICE cars - Pinfa
And not all hybrids are created equal. I’ve seen at least 2 Hyundai Kona plugin hybrids catching fire while charging in the parking lot of my work place. I’ve never seen any Toyota or Honda hybrid catching fire though.