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I'm looking to replace a 2010 Chevy Traverse. Wish list is a 1-2 year old 3 row SUV with Apple CarPlay, AWD, heated seats and a few other creature comforts. The Pilot is on my list because it checks those boxes and there are quite a few certified used 1-2 year old models for a good price. However, I'm a bit nervous after reading some of the threads on this forum about reliability. Wondering if it may be worth the extra cash to upgrade to a new Telluride/Palisade/Highlander to get those same features, but with a more reliable vehicle.

Anyone looked at or made a similar consideration? Any feedback or input welcome. Thanks!
 

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Why not get another Traverse? The last year or two of the 1st gen is about as good as it gets in terms of comfort and space. The 2nd gen is always available on good deals around me and has the most updated infotainment.

IMO the Highlander is NOT competitive with this group. It is substantially smaller and belongs with the Sorento, CX-9, and other 3 rows that have a kid only 3rd row and are narrower and shorter.

The Telluride and Palisade would be high on my list if I were looking at new vehicles, we've had a number of the Korean cars and they've all been excellent. And they are pushing the needle in terms of design and features.

As a current Traverse AND Pilot owner, I can tell you the Traverse will only be replaced with a Traverse or larger (which means body on frame like Tahoe/Suburban or their competitors). With 3 kids we use that as our pack mule and we fill it up frequently. The Pilot could be replaced with something similar sized since we still have the larger vehicle as needed.

I just put 2,000 miles on my '14 Traverse a couple weeks ago in great comfort so I'm pretty rose colored about the Traverse right now. I was expecting to be miserable the second half of the trip.
 
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It's all about the 3rd row space. If you're OK with a smaller one it really opens your options up. If you want the larger then there are only a handful of SUV options. People used to find the Kia/Hyundai selling with a big markup, but if that's changed then I'd look at them hard. I'd consider the Durango too along with the current Traverse. Not much else out there in unibody land.
 

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It's all about the 3rd row space. If you're OK with a smaller one it really opens your options up. If you want the larger then there are only a handful of SUV options. People used to find the Kia/Hyundai selling with a big markup, but if that's changed then I'd look at them hard. I'd consider the Durango too along with the current Traverse. Not much else out there in unibody land.
Durango is champ in a couple ways... towing for this size and performance models. The Explorer ST is compelling but I'd take a Durango R/T or SRT all day long.
 
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We bought an Elite on 11/29. We shopped and drove the Telluride/Pallisade/Atlas/CX9/Durango/Pacifica/Explorer et al. Couldn't get my wife near a Chevy/GM dealer though. Space is a little bit better in the 3rd row on the Telluride/Pallisade and Atlas than the Pilot. There is no direct comparo for any of them in terms of features. You have to give this to get that on all of them. Like the Pilot doesn't have a 360 camera, which is a big hit in my book. The tech in the Telluride/Pallisade is a bit better than the Honda, newer flashier. But once you start looking trim for trim and pricing this is where it gets difficult. We spent 4 months shopping. Drove 1 Telluride in the lowest trim. Never got near a high trim, sold too fast. Drove the Pallisade in several trims. But there were just no deals.

So the trims that compare (mostly - again remember not all features compare) to an Elite Pilot came out as such (these were confirmed deals with dealers in our area + TTL ) - Atlas SEL Premium 46.9 and Pallisade Limited AWD 48.1. Never went near a Telluride as the very first offer verbally from 3 different dealers within 500 miles was 1k OVER msrp for an SX. Our pilot was 43.3 +TTL

We also didn't buy a used Pilot because prices were insane. Plus the spread in APR. Used 1-2 year old Elites in our area are listed for between 39-43k with 10-40k miles. Used prices didn't have much negotiation. Then APR. We had CU pre-approval for 3.9 new, and 5.1 used. Final deal was better than that but used that as a ballpark for deciding new/used.
 

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Why not get another Traverse? The last year or two of the 1st gen is about as good as it gets in terms of comfort and space. The 2nd gen is always available on good deals around me and has the most updated infotainment.

IMO the Highlander is NOT competitive with this group. It is substantially smaller and belongs with the Sorento, CX-9, and other 3 rows that have a kid only 3rd row and are narrower and shorter.

The Telluride and Palisade would be high on my list if I were looking at new vehicles, we've had a number of the Korean cars and they've all been excellent. And they are pushing the needle in terms of design and features.

As a current Traverse AND Pilot owner, I can tell you the Traverse will only be replaced with a Traverse or larger (which means body on frame like Tahoe/Suburban or their competitors). With 3 kids we use that as our pack mule and we fill it up frequently. The Pilot could be replaced with something similar sized since we still have the larger vehicle as needed.

I just put 2,000 miles on my '14 Traverse a couple weeks ago in great comfort so I'm pretty rose colored about the Traverse right now. I was expecting to be miserable the second half of the trip.
Appreciate the feedback! Generally we've been happy with our '10 Traverse - bought it CPO and have only had a handful of issues. I mostly steered away from it now because most of the reviews I've read online rate the other SUVs I mentioned much higher, especially considering the price tag. We also have 3 kids, but they are still young and we also have a Honda Odyssey, which tends to be the preferred choice when we're packing up the whole family on a longer trip. This Traverse replacement is mostly going to be my wife's daily driver, but we still want the flexibility that the 3rd row provides.
 

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Appreciate the feedback! Generally we've been happy with our '10 Traverse - bought it CPO and have only had a handful of issues. I mostly steered away from it now because most of the reviews I've read online rate the other SUVs I mentioned much higher, especially considering the price tag. We also have 3 kids, but they are still young and we also have a Honda Odyssey, which tends to be the preferred choice when we're packing up the whole family on a longer trip. This Traverse replacement is mostly going to be my wife's daily driver, but we still want the flexibility that the 3rd row provides.
Gotcha, so you can go a little smaller. Well I'd give the Koreans a long hard look for sure. Can't go wrong with a Pilot or Highlander but you may find you like the design and tech better with the Hyundai/Kia. Generally I understand the Palisade to have better deals.

I will say, I LOVE the wheels on the new Caligraphy trim Palisade.
 
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We bought an Elite on 11/29. We shopped and drove the Telluride/Pallisade/Atlas/CX9/Durango/Pacifica/Explorer et al. Couldn't get my wife near a Chevy/GM dealer though. Space is a little bit better in the 3rd row on the Telluride/Pallisade and Atlas than the Pilot. There is no direct comparo for any of them in terms of features. You have to give this to get that on all of them. Like the Pilot doesn't have a 360 camera, which is a big hit in my book. The tech in the Telluride/Pallisade is a bit better than the Honda, newer flashier. But once you start looking trim for trim and pricing this is where it gets difficult. We spent 4 months shopping. Drove 1 Telluride in the lowest trim. Never got near a high trim, sold too fast. Drove the Pallisade in several trims. But there were just no deals.

So the trims that compare (mostly - again remember not all features compare) to an Elite Pilot came out as such (these were confirmed deals with dealers in our area + TTL ) - Atlas SEL Premium 46.9 and Pallisade Limited AWD 48.1. Never went near a Telluride as the very first offer verbally from 3 different dealers within 500 miles was 1k OVER msrp for an SX. Our pilot was 43.3 +TTL

We also didn't buy a used Pilot because prices were insane. Plus the spread in APR. Used 1-2 year old Elites in our area are listed for between 39-43k with 10-40k miles. Used prices didn't have much negotiation. Then APR. We had CU pre-approval for 3.9 new, and 5.1 used. Final deal was better than that but used that as a ballpark for deciding new/used.
Thanks, this is great feedback. I agree on pricing on the Tellurides - they are hard to find, and when you do, typically $2-3k over MSRP!
 

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Sold our 2017 Pilot Touring for a 2021 Telluride SX. They Koreans have come a long way while the Japanese have probably rested on their reputation for too long. The technology and engineering on the Telluride exceeds everything on the Pilot. The idle stop on the Pilot is noticeable on the Telluride it’s faster and more refined. I’m trying to be unbiased and fair, the only things the Pilot does better are the capless fuel door, memory keys (driver 1, driver 2) and the mechanical switch for the heated seats, the Telluride is better in every other aspect. This coming from someone who has owned 13 Honda’s and Acura’s. I recently started dabbling in other brands. Subarus and Fords are junk by comparison.
 

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We bought an Elite on 11/29. We shopped and drove the Telluride/Pallisade/Atlas/CX9/Durango/Pacifica/Explorer et al. Couldn't get my wife near a Chevy/GM dealer though. Space is a little bit better in the 3rd row on the Telluride/Pallisade and Atlas than the Pilot. There is no direct comparo for any of them in terms of features. You have to give this to get that on all of them. Like the Pilot doesn't have a 360 camera, which is a big hit in my book. The tech in the Telluride/Pallisade is a bit better than the Honda, newer flashier. But once you start looking trim for trim and pricing this is where it gets difficult. We spent 4 months shopping. Drove 1 Telluride in the lowest trim. Never got near a high trim, sold too fast. Drove the Pallisade in several trims. But there were just no deals.

So the trims that compare (mostly - again remember not all features compare) to an Elite Pilot came out as such (these were confirmed deals with dealers in our area + TTL ) - Atlas SEL Premium 46.9 and Pallisade Limited AWD 48.1. Never went near a Telluride as the very first offer verbally from 3 different dealers within 500 miles was 1k OVER msrp for an SX. Our pilot was 43.3 +TTL

We also didn't buy a used Pilot because prices were insane. Plus the spread in APR. Used 1-2 year old Elites in our area are listed for between 39-43k with 10-40k miles. Used prices didn't have much negotiation. Then APR. We had CU pre-approval for 3.9 new, and 5.1 used. Final deal was better than that but used that as a ballpark for deciding new/used.
Why are people paying over MSRP for a non limited production SUV. Maybe I would understand if this was, hey they are only making 500 Shelby Cobras, but a mid-Tier SUV? People are stupid.
Telluride maybe nice, but there are a ton of nice vehicles in this segment..

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Sold our 2017 Pilot Touring for a 2021 Telluride SX. They Koreans have come a long way while the Japanese have probably rested on their reputation for too long. The technology and engineering on the Telluride exceeds everything on the Pilot. The idle stop on the Pilot is noticeable on the Telluride it’s faster and more refined. I’m trying to be unbiased and fair, the only things the Pilot does better are the capless fuel door, memory keys (driver 1, driver 2) and the mechanical switch for the heated seats, the Telluride is better in every other aspect. This coming from someone who has owned 13 Honda’s and Acura’s. I recently started dabbling in other brands. Subarus and Fords are junk by comparison.
Having a 2019 Outback 3.6 Touring in my stable, i can testify it is not junk. One of the safest cars you can buy, best AWD in any car, electronics work flawless and very well. No issues in two years, none. Great ground clearance, excellent in snow and rain. Plenty of storage room. Not as big as a Pilot or Telluride obviously but hardly junk.

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Having a 2019 Outback 3.6 Touring in my stable, i can testify it is not junk. One of the safest cars you can buy, best AWD in any car, electronics work flawless and very well. No issues in two years, none. Great ground clearance, excellent in snow and rain. Plenty of storage room. Not as big as a Pilot or Telluride obviously but hardly junk.

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I’m not refuting the safety or the capability of the AWD but I had a 2013 2.0 Impreza sport that burned a quart of oil a month and had to have the entire short block replaced with under 30,000 miles, the dealer ended up buying it back after the new block didn’t solve the oil consumption issue. I then bought a 2016 Crosstrek it too burned oil. Although not as bad as the Impreza it was enough for me to sell it and move on.
 

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I’m not refuting the safety or the capability of the AWD but I had a 2013 2.0 Impreza sport that burned a quart of oil a month and had to have the entire short block replaced with under 30,000 miles, the dealer ended up buying it back after the new block didn’t solve the oil consumption issue. I then bought a 2016 Crosstrek it too burned oil. Although not as bad as the Impreza it was enough for me to sell it and move on.
Have not had those models, so can not comment. My H6 is very smooth and does not burn oil.

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Just wait until the Kia and Hyundai crowd look at their resale value at year 2 or 3.

I can already hear the sound ....

I wonder if the resale value won't be bad. If they prove to be reliable after 2-3 years, then they really will be a worthy competitor to the Pilot/Highlander and there will be plenty of people who weren't willing to pay over MSRP when they were new. Time will tell.
 

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I wonder if the resale value won't be bad. If they prove to be reliable after 2-3 years, then they really will be a worthy competitor to the Pilot/Highlander and there will be plenty of people who weren't willing to pay over MSRP when they were new. Time will tell.
See below on value rating, Outback on the left, Telluride on the right.


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What is this from? I don't pay much attention to what a magazine says, I care what people who owned and drove the car long term say. How can you calculate depreciation before there is a used market for the vehicle?
 
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