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When to do first oil change?

3000, 5000, 7500 or whenever the indicator hits 15%?
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3000, 5000, 7500 or whenever the indicator hits 15%?
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Alternatively, you could follow the guidance in the owner's manual which says to have the oil changed when the remaining engine oil life is less than 5 percent and the "SERVICE DUE NOW" message is displayed.
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The most important thing is "DO NOT" change your first oil until it reaches mm 5%. There are very important additives in the engine oil which comes from the factory, which helps in longer engine life. After that it is your choice either go with MM or change every 5k
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The most important thing is "DO NOT" change your first oil until it reaches mm 5%. There are very important additives in the engine oil which comes from the factory, which helps in longer engine life. After that it is your choice either go with MM or change every 5k
i read somewhere else on the forum about the additives...but does the manual specifically state to wait until 5% before the first oil change (don't have a manual handy)? our first change is in the near future

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change it when it hit 15%.. Make sure you monitor the engine oil level all the time..

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The factory oil has a lot of additives to reduce friction. The MM is a good gage as it monitors temp, speed, horsepower being used and more. I don't have the link handy but the new oils are engineered to their respective OEM. It is really a waste of money and resources to not follow the recommendations.
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Following I have listed a few items that I have compiled as a "FAQ" list. Please take a moment to review these items and feel free to give me a call with any questions.

1. First Service- Remember, your first service is due at 3500 miles. It is a good idea to call for an appointment one week in advance of the date you would like to come in.

I just got this e-mail from dealer. 3500 miles seemed awful early!
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I never go below 40%. Call me crazy, but oil changes cost, what, $35-40? Cheap insurance for piece of mind and engine longevity.

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I was always told that your first oil change should be done early because there will be more 'stuff' or particles from the motor in the oil during the break-in period. Not sure if that's true or an old dad's tale. I also don't know if a 'break-in' period actually matters much with how you drive. I didn't get the RPMs high during my first 1000 miles. Don't know if it matters...


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I've gotten in the habit of driving new cars home from the dealership and swapping in new synthetic. The "break-in" on modern engines is minimal, consisting of seating the rings. That gets taken care of on that drive from the dealership, with a few firm-throttle pushes to 4k RPM. After that, any "break-in" is better defined as first stages of "wear-out". The oil gets changed a couple more times by 1000 miles, then on to a schedule that is twice as often as what the manufacturer recommends, or their severe-service schedule, whichever is more conservative. The early changes get any stray manufacturing particles out, clear any carbon bits from early blow-by before the rings seat, and any wear particles from the ring seating exercise.

This effort is in anticipation of no less that 250k of use of the car. The most recent history has all cars sold with well over 200k, three over 300k. One, an early Ford Explorer V-6, had a bad reaction to early Prestone extended-life coolant. The heads came off for gaskets at 150k, as the coolant had managed to find an external leakage path where the gaskets were supposed to be. On removal, the oil (top) side of the heads was immaculate, with no sign that the engine had ever actually been running. The typical yellow varnish layer was none, and of course no tar or sludge deposits thanks to the synthetic. I keep the rest of the car in similar condition, so at 320k when I gave it to a staffer who needed a bigger car for his growing family, it looked and ran pretty much as new. That one was used for regular towing duty between southern California and the Colorado River in the summertime, plus daily 80-mile commuting duty between my home in Orange County and my office in Pasadena. So hardly "gentle" driving conditions.

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Is that a FACT that a new vehicle has brake in additives ?

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You be the judge. I collected an oil sample from my first Pilot oil change (@7200 miles) and sent it to be analyzed in a lab. There was evidence of higher than the universal average amounts for copper, aluminum, iron, boron, and silicon. After that first oil change, the amounts quickly dropped to the universal averages. So, based on ACTUAL testing, it tells me that wear-in does indeed occur despite any tight tolerances that may exist in modern engines. Overall though, the higher amounts of those elements in the initial oil change have not impacted the life of the engine which is now at 165K and still running well.

FWIW -I average 8500 miles between oil changes. I arrived at that number based on how long I could run the oil while still maintaining a TBN (total base number -number of additives still present in the oil) >1.0. It took about 4 oil analysis runs to dial it in. I'm sure the number of miles will vary depending on your driving style and the brand of oil used. But it's really the only way to know scientifically how long you can go between changes.

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