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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 06-12-2017, 06:35 PM Thread Starter
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2012 Pilot sluggish from stop

bought this Honda last fall, its an EX L with 111,000 miles..........i Love it..........great vehicle imo.

but one little problem that has been present since i purchased it, the Engine is sluggish when i want to accelerate, i'm not sure if it's more noticeable from a stop or not, one person suggested the Mass Air Flow sensor may need to be cleaned, i did that today, still have a problem.

I have no codes, i did the 100,000 service with the new belt, water pump, Plugs, Filters, ect.

the sluggish engine will only last a second or tw, maybe up to 5 , then it's like the afterburners kick in and it runs great. I hate to take it to a Honda store, i could end up replacing all kinds of parts and still not fix the issue..........

any ideas...........if i left out any descriptive terms, let me know, i like to fix these issues myself, if i can save the money..........

thanks for your time, and i do enjoy your Forum.
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Have you tried installing a VC Muzzler? My 2013 is much more peppy with it installed, plus there are many more benefits to the health of the engine also.

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When did you last replace the ATF?

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Have you tried installing a VC Muzzler? My 2013 is much more peppy with it installed, plus there are many more benefits to the health of the engine also.
no i haven't, i have read a little about those, both pro and con. maybe i need to read more to understand the benefits better.
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When did you last replace the ATF?
ok, i gotta plead guilty here, what is an "ATF"?
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ok, i gotta plead guilty here, what is an "ATF"?
maybe Automatic Trans Fluid? if so, yes it was serviced shortly after i purchased the Pilot, but to ask , why would that cause the problem i mentioned?
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I agree with @Chiggerland1 . Sluggishness from a stop sounds VCM-related. Muzzle that bad boy and be surprised by how smooth this engine is when not bogged down by VCM.

Also, do you use Top Tier gas? Try throwing in a bottle of Techron the next time you fill up.

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I agree with @Chiggerland1 . Sluggishness from a stop sounds VCM-related. Muzzle that bad boy and be surprised by how smooth this engine is when not bogged down by VCM.

Also, do you use Top Tier gas? Try throwing in a bottle of Techron the next time you fill up.
Top Tier? do you higher octane or maybe Shell or BP vs joes corner station. Will try the Techron

am reading more about the Muzzle...........there is a memeber here that produces one and sells it? is there a link to his product?
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Top Tier? do you higher octane or maybe Shell or BP vs joes corner station. Will try the Techron

am reading more about the Muzzle...........there is a memeber here that produces one and sells it? is there a link to his product?
i'm reading the information provided by verbatim, seems most are very happy with his solution, lengthy discussion, informative. Sounds like a possible solution to my problem.
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FWIW, you are right at the edge of Timing Belt Replacement, and some other services that get done around the same time. The timing belt alone won't affect the performance the way you describe, but the new plugs that typically go in about the same time will. The timing belt is a serious service, $$ enough that cars on the verge of due sometimes get sold off before the MM code pops up. Check your service history and see if you might be a victim of this habit.

Otherwise, I vote ++ for the muzzler. It seems to solve a few driveability issues. I do have to admit that I didn't seem to suffer from any off-the-line lag that couldn't be solved by pressing harder on the skinny pedal when needed. The Hondas seem to need some engine RPM to make serious launch power. It's short on low-end torque compared with other cars in the fleet, but in the end it's enough better on fuel to make up the difference. Push harder on the pedal and see if it helps. Don't be afraid of letting the engine rev some; it's designed that way on purpose.

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My thought on the transmission fluid ATF, if prior owners failure to change it could be stopping the transmission from dropping into first. Too much dirt in the system affects its performance.

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FWIW, you are right at the edge of Timing Belt Replacement, and some other services that get done around the same time. The timing belt alone won't affect the performance the way you describe, but the new plugs that typically go in about the same time will. The timing belt is a serious service, $$ enough that cars on the verge of due sometimes get sold off before the MM code pops up. Check your service history and see if you might be a victim of this habit.

Otherwise, I vote ++ for the muzzler. It seems to solve a few driveability issues. I do have to admit that I didn't seem to suffer from any off-the-line lag that couldn't be solved by pressing harder on the skinny pedal when needed. The Hondas seem to need some engine RPM to make serious launch power. It's short on low-end torque compared with other cars in the fleet, but in the end it's enough better on fuel to make up the difference. Push harder on the pedal and see if it helps. Don't be afraid of letting the engine rev some; it's designed that way on purpose.
yes, i did the Belt along with the other 100K service items, Plugs, filters, water pump, etc.
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thanks all for your help.........

i just signed up to your forum yesterday.........
since i am new, i guess i can't send a pm to verbatim. i wanted to inquire about purchasing a Muzzel, but i guess i can't in a PM. Rules?
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Sorry yup a few more posts will open up you pm ability. Spammers once spammed via PM in another forum, so AutoGuide dropped the curtain

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thanks Rocky, i noticed that Verbatim posted his email in the other forum about his invention, the Muzzel, so i sent him an email. Sounds like a great fix for this little problem.
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