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Old 01-13-2011, 08:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Ice Covered Hill (Atlanta)

Hi All.

Just some observations about my recent experience driving the Pilot (2011 EX-L RES FWD) on ice.

I live in a cul-de-sac at the bottom of a hill, in the Atlanta area.

Since Monday, I have enjoyed watching cars come down the hill into the cul-de-sac, just to watch them try to get back up the hill, which was covered in snow/ice.

After watching numerous of them spend hours trying to get up the hill, I decided to give the Pilot a shot...

It went right up without any hesitation or problems.

I wasn't expecting to be able to drive right up so easily with a 2WD Pilot.

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Sounds like you fared better with your 2WD on ice than we did with our new 4WD in 18" of heavy snow. My wife came home from work early yesterday, before our plow guy had a chance to attack our driveway. Without even really thinking about it, my wife headed down the driveway, but made it only about 40' before mushing to a halt. Not her fault and not the Pilot's; just too darn much snow. I literally had to shovel the snow out from under the Pilot to get it going again, this time locked in 4WD.
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you were lucky to drive up the hill because you had momentum and the weight of the vehicle is on top of the FWD system of your pilot. now, if you fully stop in middle of the hill and try to go up, I doubt you will be able to make it without the VTM4 AWD capability.
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Sounds like you fared better with your 2WD on ice than we did with our new 4WD in 18" of heavy snow. My wife came home from work early yesterday, before our plow guy had a chance to attack our driveway. Without even really thinking about it, my wife headed down the driveway, but made it only about 40' before mushing to a halt. Not her fault and not the Pilot's; just too darn much snow. I literally had to shovel the snow out from under the Pilot to get it going again, this time locked in 4WD.
18" of snow. Now, that's some snow.
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you were lucky to drive up the hill because you had momentum and the weight of the vehicle is on top of the FWD system of your pilot. now, if you fully stop in middle of the hill and try to go up, I doubt you will be able to make it without the VTM4 AWD capability.
Good points. Probably right that I wouldn't have been able to stop on the hill, and then make it up.
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Default 2WD on the Atlanta ice

My 2010 EX 2WD worked ok on the frozen streets of Atlanta this week. The problem was when ever I had to stop while going uphill. In those cases the stock Goodyear Fortera tires would spin on the mostly icy surface. I drove my 2005 Accord on Tuesday this week and I believe it performed better than the Pilot.

Has anyone had better performance with a different tire on 2WD Pilots? At 30K miles the Goodyears tend to spin on wet pavement, especially in uphill situations. I'm not heavy on the gas pedal. I go easy on the gas to mantain maximum mpg in town. I usually get 17 mpg on average around the city in stop and go traffic.
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I live in Blue Ridge, and my 2010 4WD won't climb the hill in front of my house....with tire cables! I'm not a happy camper. I'm trying to talk my wife into letting me trade for something with true 4WD and 4-Low capability. My mother-in-law's '98 Blazer comes up with no issue whatsoever!
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I live in Blue Ridge, and my 2010 4WD won't climb the hill in front of my house....with tire cables! I'm not a happy camper. I'm trying to talk my wife into letting me trade for something with true 4WD and 4-Low capability. My mother-in-law's '98 Blazer comes up with no issue whatsoever!
Try a different set of tires before entirely trading in unless you depend on a true 4wd system.

I have about 2-3" patch of snow/ice in front of my driveway as well and a 20 degree slope. My 09' 4wd Pilot and 96' Land Cruser both equipped with Michelin LTX M/S can drive up effortlessly. My Audi (with quattro aka 4wd) and dedicated Michelin Pilot Alpin winter tires can climb without a hitch, however my 01' Xterra even locked into 4wd and center differential locks has a ton of difficulty. My Xterra has Bridgestone Revo A/T tires.
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Try a different set of tires before entirely trading in unless you depend on a true 4wd system.

I have about 2-3" patch of snow/ice in front of my driveway as well and a 20 degree slope. My 09' 4wd Pilot and 96' Land Cruser both equipped with Michelin LTX M/S can drive up effortlessly. My Audi (with quattro aka 4wd) and dedicated Michelin Pilot Alpin winter tires can climb without a hitch, however my 01' Xterra even locked into 4wd and center differential locks has a ton of difficulty. My Xterra has Bridgestone Revo A/T tires.
As stated above Tires are key. The Fortera's are horrible in Snow. My Nokian WR2 SUV have no issues what so ever.
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Also in Atlanta and have praises for my "last gen" AWD Pilot after our recent snow and "icemageddon" this week...

Have newer Bridgestone H/L tires with around 5K miles on them and went EVERYwhere from dead stops on entirely ice covered hills (with some snow/rough areas underneath the icecap) to snow covered streets to emergency stops when the "other idiot" spun out in front of me. In short, flawless acceleration and actually found it safer to accelerate through situations in the few times I needed the anti-lock brakes.

I luvs my AWD.
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I've come to the conclusion that the tires must be the problem. I can't wait for the Fortera's to wear out!
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I've come to the conclusion that the tires must be the problem. I can't wait for the Fortera's to wear out!
Good luck with that. I got 52,000 miles on the GY Integrities before I replaced them and they still had usable tread left. I couldn't take the noise and crappy handling anymore.
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Good luck with that. I got 52,000 miles on the GY Integrities before I replaced them and they still had usable tread left. I couldn't take the noise and crappy handling anymore.
Yeah, we had an '07 before this '10 and the Integrities did last forever. These Fortera's have about 23,000 on them, and they're almost done.
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Default Fortera Tires not suited for snow/ice

For those who have issues the the Goodyear Fortera tire performance on snow/ice, please let Goodyear and Honda know.

I have issued complaints to both companies, and they state there are no issues. The Fortera tires are a click short of what I would call dangerous on snow/ice covered roads. The new Hankook Optimos on my Civic provide better grip on snow/ice than my 4WD Pilot.

I don't appreciate buying a 4WD vehicle $$$, only to have saftey compromised by a poor choice of tires by Honda. Equally disappointed by Goodyear, who's Corporate Headquarters, is in nearby Akron, Ohio, an area that gets a good amount of snow. Most of their tires fall short on snow/ice performance. Look at Tire Rack or Consumer Reports evaluations.

If you have a legitimate issue with these tires, make your voice heard!
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For those who have issues the the Goodyear Fortera tire performance on snow/ice, please let Goodyear and Honda know.

I have issued complaints to both companies, and they state there are no issues. The Fortera tires are a click short of what I would call dangerous on snow/ice covered roads. The new Hankook Optimos on my Civic provide better grip on snow/ice than my 4WD Pilot.

I don't appreciate buying a 4WD vehicle $$$, only to have saftey compromised by a poor choice of tires by Honda. Equally disappointed by Goodyear, who's Corporate Headquarters, is in nearby Akron, Ohio, an area that gets a good amount of snow. Most of their tires fall short on snow/ice performance. Look at Tire Rack or Consumer Reports evaluations.
Not to necessarily defend the Goodyear tires, but, let's suppose that it's your job to select tires for the Pilot.
From the list below (a CR test), which tires would you have chosen?
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