2004 Pilot emissions indicator

[Chemist]

Hey guys, I have had my honda for a year and it runs great with 125,000 miles on it. Being a chemist, I found a way to increase my MPG through the use of more oxygen for a better rate of combustion and a little hydrogen to increase the power. I bought a fuel cell that is hooked to the battery and it splits the water molecule in H2 and O2. I then have a line that goes directly into my air intake. My mpg has gone from an average of 21mpg to around 28mpg. Horsepower has increased noticably and everything seems normal other than that and the indicator light for my emissions that won't go off. I live in the country so I never have to get tested for emissions so I don't really care about it. I am just wondering if I might be doing any damage to the engine by having that light on. With the free fuel that I have, I get better combustion thus reducing NOX, CO, and CO2. The pilot is paid for and I have no warranty that could be voided. Should I keep running this or would anyone recommend I don't? Thanks for any help.

[rocky]

Lets have a picture of the engine compartment with this thing fitted and more information please as to where you sourced this equipment.

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[roadie96720]

I have seen other post of this type of system. I haven't seen any scientific proof that it actually does work.

[Chemist]

You guys really don't believe this works? Every vehicle has an O2 sensor that measures the amount of Oxygen in the air passing through the intake manifold. It adjusts the amount of fuel required to allow combustion to occur at a consistant rate. If you are high in the mountain where oxygen molecules are farther apart, the sensor sends more fuel to make up for lack of oxygen. You get better gas mileage at sea level where the oxygen molecules are closer together or more dense. My O2 sensor registers the increase in oxygen from my hydrogen generator and cuts down on my oil based fuel. The hydrogen burns clean and helps burn the oil fuel more efficiently for a cleaner engine and less pollution out the end pipe.

Some people say that the energy required to break apart water is the same as what you get out of it when you burn H2 and O2 together in air. This is completely true. Here is where I gain my free fuel. Every vehicle has an alternator. I have one attached to my engine that puts out around 80 amps. Some put out 120 amps and my neighbor who likes loud stereo system has one that puts out 200 amps. My alternator is always putting out 80amps as long as the motor is turning. If I run the windshield wipers, listen to the radio, and have my headlights on, I am using only a few of those amps. This hydrogen system requires 14 volts to run which is nothing in terms of what my alternator produces. It is usually energy wasted, but now I am utilizing it to work for me and save money. I will video tape my Pilot tomorrow Sat. July 17, 2010 and show everyone this system with a link posted on youtube. I will also post a link to the company that I bought it from which is publicly traded on the stock market and you can ask them questions if you would like. I know it works so please let me know if you think this could damage my cars emission system. Thankyou.

[Chemist]

You guys really don't believe this works? Every vehicle has an O2 sensor that measures the amount of Oxygen in the air passing through the intake manifold. It adjusts the amount of fuel required to allow combustion to occur at a consistant rate. If you are high in the mountain where oxygen molecules are farther apart, the sensor sends more fuel to make up for lack of oxygen. You get better gas mileage at sea level where the oxygen molecules are closer together or more dense. My O2 sensor registers the increase in oxygen from my hydrogen generator and cuts down on my oil based fuel. The hydrogen burns clean and helps burn the oil fuel more efficiently for a cleaner engine and less pollution out the end pipe.

Some people say that the energy required to break apart water is the same as what you get out of it when you burn H2 and O2 together in air. This is completely true. Here is where I gain my free fuel. Every vehicle has an alternator. I have one attached to my engine that puts out around 80 amps. Some put out 120 amps and my neighbor who likes loud stereo system has one that puts out 200 amps. My alternator is always putting out 80amps as long as the motor is turning. If I run the windshield wipers, listen to the radio, and have my headlights on, I am using only a few of those amps. This hydrogen system requires 14 volts to run which is nothing in terms of what my alternator produces. It is usually energy wasted, but now I am utilizing it to work for me and save money. I will video tape my Pilot tomorrow Sat. July 17, 2010 and show everyone this system with a link posted on youtube. I will also post a link to the company that I bought it from which is publicly traded on the stock market and you can ask them questions if you would like. I know it works so please let me know if you think this could damage my cars emission system. Thankyou.

[Chemist]

Hey everyone, sorry about the double post. Still getting the hang of this forum thing I guess. As promised, I took a video of my honda as it seperated water into hydrogen and oxygen gas. I don't give a care if you believe me or not, all I want to know is if you think this has any remote possibility of damaging my emmission system. Here is the link:

YouTube - hydrogen generator

YouTube - hydrogen generator

I bought my unit from this company: Highline Hybrids - Performance Fuel Systems
They are currently in talks with Dong Feng motors in China on working to install one of these units in every vehicle they roll off the line. I admit in the past these were seen as scams and most were. However, they use slightly more advanced technology now that has made these work a little better.

[rocky]

The only 02 sensors in a car are in the exhaust system.

Don't know if you test for emissions in Arizona, but if you do, you wont pass as is.

Suggest you have the code read.

[LetsGo]

Please explain how adding hydrogen and oxygen to the combustion mix will reduce CO2, CO, NOX, or any other pollution emissions. Also, please explain how much H2 and O2 are produced by this system and how this relates to the intake gas mixture at idle. How does the mix change as engine RPMs increase? Based on what I saw in the video, there is so little hydrogen and oxygen being produced in relation to the amount of air required to run the engine that this particular system probably has no measurable effect on anything.

Adding oxygen to the mix will increase the fuel delivery rate, not reduce it. Adding hydrogen at the same time will offset almost all of any potential change to the O2 sensor reading, which would leave the fuel delivery rate unchanged. If there was extra oxygen as you claim, the engine would run lean, and a lean mix delivers less power, not more. As Rocky stated, the oxygen sensor comes after the fuel has already been burned, not before. To keep the air-fuel ratio right, which I'm sure you remember from your chemistry training, the computer has to add fuel to use up any extra oxygen, which would reduce your gas mileage. Clearly, the claims you're making in your poorly-disguised advertising posts are false.

If your electrolysis unit uses electricity to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, then the alternator becomes harder to turn, meaning that the engine has to work harder and gas mileage and horsepower will go down. You aren't using "unused" amps from the alternator. Every milliamp of power you use puts extra load on the engine and requires more fuel. Anybody who says "that the energy required to break apart water is the same as what you get out of it when you burn H2 and O2 together in air" is an idiot. I figured a chemist would understand the law of conservation of energy, but maybe that's only for physicists, or maybe they don't teach such laws at the chemistry school you attended. But I think we all know at this point you're not a chemist unless you're running a meth lab.

And yes, I do think it could damage your emission system because you're adding compounds to the combustion mix that aren't supposed to be there and changing the temperature of the exhaust gases, neither of which the emission system was designed to handle. But why is this explanation necessary? A chemist who has clearly researched this topic as you have should understand how a catalytic converter and the combustion process works, right? Plus the combustion of additional hydrogen and oxygen will create additional water vapor in the exhaust stream, which could rust out the whole system prematurely. This doesn't even take into account that you incorrectly stated that the computer reduces fuel because of the extra oxygen. If that was true, the engine would be running lean, which would overheat and damage internal engine components and the emission system.

So in summary, neither you nor anyone else should buy or build a water electrolysis unit and attach it to an engine for at least these reasons and probably more:

1) It will reduce your fuel efficiency - you can't get more out of a system than you put into it. It's as simple as that.

2) It adds an explosion risk by introducing hydrogen and oxygen gas where they were not meant to be (seen that Hindenburg video?)

3) If there was such a cheap and simple way to increase gas mileage by as much as you claim (33%), every engine manufacturer in the world would already be using it

4) It probably will damage your emission system and void the warranty, and could lead to very expensive repairs

And no, I don't work for or have any interest in the oil industry. I just have a low tolerance for B.S.

[LetsGo]

The link you provided seems to offer no way to buy this device you're advertising, but there is a way to sign up to be a distributor. Which did you want us to do, buy it from you as a distributor or join the multi-level marketing scam?

[04PilotEngr]

LetsGo has done a good job of explaining why Mr. "Chemist's" electrolysis scheme won't generate a real increase in fuel economy. I would like to tell Mr. "Chemist" that the clear plastic container that your electrolysis system is using as an accumulator for the mixture of hydrogen and oxygen is a serious hazard. Storing a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen is very dangerous; it's an explosion waiting to happen. A hydrogen explosion in air is dangerous, but a hydrogen explosion with pure oxygen at the correct stoichiometric ratio (as you will get from the electrolysis of water) can be very dangerous. Water electrolysis units used in science and industry do not mix the hydrogen and oxygen. Hydrogen is generated at the cathode and collected in one accumulator and oxygen is generated at the anode and collected in another accumulator. If the hydrogen and oxygen are collected together, the gases are a perfect stoichiometric mixture of a fuel and an oxidizer.

The ignition energy required for a hydrogen in pure oxygen (0.0012 mJ) is an order of magnitude lower than the ignition energy required for hydrogen in air (0.017 mJ). The 0.0012 mJ that is required to ignite pure hydrogen and oxygen is an amazingly small amount of energy. Others on this forum, please take if from a Licensed Professional Chemical Engineer, working with mixtures of hydrogen and oxygen is a very bad idea.