Pilot performance

[colorider]

Originally posted by N_Jay
You will be the envy of all the other 17 year-olds borrowing their parents Pilot to go street racing Saturday night, and all the girls that look like the ones in the picture will hang all over you as you blow away the spoiled rich kid whose daddy bought him a $150,000 shop built Skyline. . . . . .

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. . . . . . . . . and then you will wake up.

[jarizzo]

Originally posted by N_Jay


You mean?

??

Dynos aren't psychosomatic necessarily, but the "butt dyno" phenomenon is what I'm talking about, and that is most definitely psychosomatic in nature. If I believe strongly that someone knows what they're talking about when they say that an aluminum tube and gauze filter is going to get me X percent better performance, I'm going to believe that it really happened after I installed it, especially if the investment was high. Besides that, what the "expert" isn't telling you is what other, possibly negative effects that intake might have on your engine or your pocketbook, and the question is "is it worth it."

And for the record, there is still no evidence that this thing changes anything. A couple links to other forums discussing other engines in other cars with other intakes doesn't prove anything related to the intake system in question. You would think someone with that much experience, 20 years and a certification IIRC, would have some way to show the improvement it makes, but that paradoxically seems not to be the case.

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by jarizzo


Dynos aren't psychosomatic necessarily, but the "butt dyno" phenomenon is what I'm talking about, and that is most definitely psychosomatic in nature. If I believe strongly that someone knows what they're talking about when they say that an aluminum tube and gauze filter is going to get me X percent better performance, I'm going to believe that it really happened after I installed it, especially if the investment was high. Besides that, what the "expert" isn't telling you is what other, possibly negative effects that intake might have on your engine or your pocketbook, and the question is "is it worth it."

And for the record, there is still no evidence that this thing changes anything. A couple links to other forums discussing other engines in other cars with other intakes doesn't prove anything related to the intake system in question. You would think someone with that much experience, 20 years and a certification IIRC, would have some way to show the improvement it makes, but that paradoxically seems not to be the case.

Yes, I was asking HONDAMANBAKER.

Seems his missed the "butt" part!

[tangotango99]

Originally posted by N_Jay


They must be good.

Check out all the pictures of "performance experts" showing off their products!

You will be the envy of all the other 17 year-olds borrowing their parents Pilot to go street racing Saturday night, and all the girls that look like the ones in the picture will hang all over you as you blow away the spoiled rich kid whose daddy bought him a $150,000 shop built Skyline. . . . . .

. . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . and then you will wake up.

Installing two vortex generator turbonators= twin turbonator will blow away a $150k skyline.

[Gav]

I'm guessing that tunergirl isn't going to come back...

I think if you are looking for max HP then there are indeed things that limit hp in the stock pilot air filter system, such as:

Its made for a broad range of drivers...their targeted segment. People that wouldn't be caught dead driving a minivan. Its made for longevity. Its made to be quiet. Its probably not made for every little ounce of HP. This probably goes in line with making it compete too closely with the mdx. The stock air filter could be potentially too small.

Notice all the aftermarket parts are being made for the Ridgeline?

So I guess most of us agree that air flow and filtration are inversely proportional. More flow - less filtering?

If the stock paper air filter were large enough, maybe there would be no change in hp between the cotton gauze and the paper.

Ok, the Intake that tunergirl made is basically a couple of shiny pipes with a bend in it.

Things that will have it make more horses:
Larger surface area
Gauze element
Smoother air travel?


Things that may hinder HP
Pulls in hot engine compartment air
Made of metal (will heat air as it passes through it.)
No fancy stickers (probably cost 10 horses right there)
Probably a guess on the intake tube length to make it fit. I'm sure that Honda used software to determine the exact tube length and shape for intake resonance supercharging at the particular rpms it would expect the engine to run at most times. There was some formula that I had a while back that...hmm found this much simpler looking formula at http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1142

NL=84000
N=RPM
L=Length of plenum from beginning to the head port.

Of course that is just one formula which it looks like Chrysler uses for determining intake manifold plenum size, not the air filter tube which probably has another formula.

I've wrestled with this since the day I bought my pilot. Should I or shouldn't I? A little more power and decreased longevity of the engine or leave it stock. I've decided to keep it stock...for now. So far my kids have been keeping me too busy to tinker too much with the car.

[TurboTurtle]

Look, its her time, her money and her Pilot. If she wants to do things to the Pilot she can. Why turn a simple request/question into a bash or wheres the proof at......its silly. Its always a "waste of time/money" when someone else is doing it and not you. I hate chrome wheels but Im not going to go around and knock someone else cause they put some 20's on and say, Oh, they throw off your speedo or added weight to the brake system......who cares. I have a intake on mine, is the hp gain enough to justify paying 50(ebay intake) to 200 bucks on one.......no. Mine was free, it was in the attic collecting dust. I feel like no bottom end hp/trq. was loss or gained, I do feel mid to upper end has some more "pick me up" near open throttle. I get 21mpg so no loss there. Just remember forums are here to help and answer any and all types of questions not to rip into them.

Sorry about the lil' rant and but I see it all to many times on all types of forums.

[Gav]

Yeah, what TurboTurtle said.

[Gav]

http://www.team-integra.net/sections...?ArticleID=471

Article about determining optimum intake plenum length and Air intake tube length...

[Poki]

Originally posted by TurboTurtle
Look, its her time, her money and her Pilot. If she wants to do things to the Pilot she can. Why turn a simple request/question into a bash or wheres the proof at......its silly. Its always a "waste of time/money" when someone else is doing it and not you. I hate chrome wheels but Im not going to go around and knock someone else cause they put some 20's on and say, Oh, they throw off your speedo or added weight to the brake system......who cares. I have a intake on mine, is the hp gain enough to justify paying 50(ebay intake) to 200 bucks on one.......no. Mine was free, it was in the attic collecting dust. I feel like no bottom end hp/trq. was loss or gained, I do feel mid to upper end has some more "pick me up" near open throttle. I get 21mpg so no loss there. Just remember forums are here to help and answer any and all types of questions not to rip into them.

Sorry about the lil' rant and but I see it all to many times on all types of forums.

I'm glad that I'm not the only one who feels that way about "Look, its her time, her money and her Pilot. If she wants to do things to the Pilot she can. Why turn a simple request/question into a bash.." Just because someone wants to do something to their Pilot, why should some members on this forum condem them? Instead, just don't reply.

[jpd0363]

If you don't have anything nice to say...

[Doum2002]

I know it's an old thread but just wanted to add my 2 cents

I think it's just about the feeling it gives. I had a lowered Accord that didnt really have more grip than stock, but i really liked the way it drove. Same thing with my aem v2 cold air intake. I don't know if it really give power, but i don't mind, I do feel like there is more power. Now that I get back to stock (selling the car), I hate how it sounds and drive.