Pilot False gas mileage from Honda like its Accord Hybrid:

[halzhu]

Pilot False gas mileage from Honda like its Accord Hybrid:

Two years ago, I bought a new Pilot EX-L because Honda's ad "Best mileage of the SUV in its kind, when I was comparing with Toyota 4Runner. After breakin and after 5000 miles, I was never able to get the Pilot claimed 17-22.

I was just curious about what gas miles the other Pilot owner would get. So I searched Google for "Complaints Honda Pilot Gas mileage" and found this website very first time. I have read some defensive responses here, such as your driving habit, tire pressure, how your gas miles were measured, how hard you push the gas pedal or break, etc.... None of the obvious reasons apply to my situation, I am always a driver caring about gas miles to most extent over many cars I have driven. As a habit, I measure and calculate my gas miles every single tank of gas and average them even monthly. I disappointed with my Honda Pilot gas mileage mostly 16 mpg on a routine 40 mile daily trip with 70% freeway and good Salt Lake County urban highway and no traffic jams.

I agree a suggestion to file a class action against Honda's false gas mileage claim.

[dustino8]

As posted before in other threads, Honda does not come up with these figures. The EPA does, and Honda lists them in the vehicle specs. Is it up to Honda to verify the EPA estimates? I doubt it. They are listed as EPA estimates, and there is no guarantee.

[larryziegler]

As was previously posted, the EPA does the testing on a dynamometer, so onboard weight, road conditions/friction, and wind resistance are not factors. With my driving style, I get 15 mpg city and 22 mpg highway as a general rule.

[N_Jay]

I get about 17 around town driving hard and short trips and get 20 to 22 on the highway also driving fairly hard and fast.

There are so many things that affect gas mileage, it is just not worrying about unless you are getting truly unreasonable mileage (less than 50% of expected, IMHO)

[jdeanski]

Originally posted by halzhu
[BTwo years ago, I bought a new Pilot EX-L because Honda's ad "Best mileage of the SUV in its kind, when I was comparing with Toyota 4Runner. After breakin and after 5000 miles, I was never able to get the Pilot claimed 17-22.

I was just curious about what gas miles the other Pilot owner would get.
I agree a suggestion to file a class action against Honda's false gas mileage claim. [/B]

I wish I knew your real motives, I can only guess. I've had a '04 Pilot 4wd since March of '04. My driving is pretty much 30/40% highway. I've never been on a trip long enough to fill the tank while traveling. I have kept exact records on (your city) gasprices.com. For the year 2005 I averaged 19.86 mpg, 2006 19.59mpg and so far this year I've averaged 19.31mpg. Consisering the size of the vehicle it would be hard to please me more!....unless you were paying

[dpierson]

Originally posted by halzhu
Pilot False gas mileage from Honda like its Accord Hybrid:

Two years ago, I bought a new Pilot EX-L because Honda's ad "Best mileage of the SUV in its kind, when I was comparing with Toyota 4Runner. After breakin and after 5000 miles, I was never able to get the Pilot claimed 17-22.

I was just curious about what gas miles the other Pilot owner would get. So I searched Google for "Complaints Honda Pilot Gas mileage" and found this website very first time. I have read some defensive responses here, such as your driving habit, tire pressure, how your gas miles were measured, how hard you push the gas pedal or break, etc.... None of the obvious reasons apply to my situation, I am always a driver caring about gas miles to most extent over many cars I have driven. As a habit, I measure and calculate my gas miles every single tank of gas and average them even monthly. I disappointed with my Honda Pilot gas mileage mostly 16 mpg on a routine 40 mile daily trip with 70% freeway and good Salt Lake County urban highway and no traffic jams.

I agree a suggestion to file a class action against Honda's false gas mileage claim.

With the aerodynamics of a flying brick did you really expect to get great gas mileage?

Good gas mileage and SUV should never be used in the same sentence or paragraph. However I am getting about 15 mpg in my daily driving which is a mix of surface streets and freeway. On my long trips with the Pilot that are all freeway I topped out at about 22 mpg with two adults, a 50lb lab/shepard mix, a loaded cooler, and cargo for a 2,000 mile trip. Much better than my old Jeep that would have gotten about 17 mpg under the same circumstances.

Good luck with your class action suit.

[gryphon75]

Maybe the problem is that you are filling up your vehicle in the middle of the day and not getting as much gas as you think. Maybe those little magnents will help. Maybe your McDonalds coffee is too hot... etc... etc...

What a world we live in where people would suggest sueing over this type of crap.

By the way you may want to sue Honda also because you have to drive. It is a pilot, and should have come with one.

[tim.s]

Originally posted by halzhu
...Two years ago, I bought a new Pilot EX-L because Honda's ad "Best mileage of the SUV in its kind", when I was comparing with Toyota 4Runner. After breakin and after 5000 miles, I was never able to get the Pilot claimed 17-22...

So which SUV in the Pilot's class have you driven and consistently gotten better mileage?

I drove a Grand Cherokee on the same roads, same traffic, same driving style, same time of day for 5 or 6 years before getting the Pilot. On average, the Pilot gets a couple of mpg's better than the GC.

Granted, the GC isn't exactly the same class as the Pilot (smaller and beefer), but as far as I can tell, the Honda has lived up to it's "better mileage" claims.

By the way, I wouldn't put the 4Runner in the same class as the Pilot either. It's smaller and (as of a couple years ago) seemed more cheaply made.

[Sportymonk]

I have an 05 and consistently get 17 - 18.5 running around town. 20- 22 on the road. Get 24 on long cruise control trips.

So the gas mileage isn't 35, I never could have gotten my new gas grill in the back of my Impala. Couldn't have gotten 7 people with luggage for two to the airport. etc etc. It meets my needs so until they built a Aston Martin that gets 50 mpg and can haul 150 cubic feet, I'll stick with the Pilot.

[larryziegler]

Originally posted by halzhu
I disappointed with my Honda Pilot gas mileage mostly 16 mpg on a routine 40 mile daily trip with 70% freeway and good Salt Lake County urban highway and no traffic jams.

If you wanted good gas mileage, you should have purchased a CR-V instead. What I also failed to say in my last comment, if you are living in Salt Lake City, you are also driving at 4300 ft elevation, which will definitely affect gas mileage in a negative way. If you were commuting at 430 ft elevation, you'd find better economy.

[iivtecracerii]

the pilot's claim isnt the best mileage of its kind. its has the best mileage among 8 passenger SUV's.

now, what other 8 passenger SUV's are there? hrmm....chevy tahoe/suburban, gmc yukon/XL, toyota sequoia, nissan armada, ....basically giant SUV's with V8's.

[tangotango99]

Originally posted by halzhu
Pilot False gas mileage from Honda like its Accord Hybrid:

Two years ago, I bought a new Pilot EX-L because Honda's ad "Best mileage of the SUV in its kind, when I was comparing with Toyota 4Runner. After breakin and after 5000 miles, I was never able to get the Pilot claimed 17-22.

I was just curious about what gas miles the other Pilot owner would get. So I searched Google for "Complaints Honda Pilot Gas mileage" and found this website very first time. I have read some defensive responses here, such as your driving habit, tire pressure, how your gas miles were measured, how hard you push the gas pedal or break, etc.... None of the obvious reasons apply to my situation, I am always a driver caring about gas miles to most extent over many cars I have driven. As a habit, I measure and calculate my gas miles every single tank of gas and average them even monthly. I disappointed with my Honda Pilot gas mileage mostly 16 mpg on a routine 40 mile daily trip with 70% freeway and good Salt Lake County urban highway and no traffic jams.

I agree a suggestion to file a class action against Honda's false gas mileage claim.

Let's not get ourselves into a "sue-happy "mode here, blame the EPA not Honda.

[rockman19762001]

My '03 Pilot has always average between the EPA minimum and maximum range. For the size, weight, capacity to carry junk, the Pilot does ok on a gallon of gasoline.

[jl_ss]

The epa sets the test parameters and Honda does the actual testing - usually during vehicle development. The epa then confirms 15-20 percent of the results yearly. There has been a lot of discussion about the epa parameters not being indicative of real world results and the resulting correction factors that were recently developed. The epa estimates for the Pilot go from 17/22 to 15/20. And that still doesn't encompass all the variables that may affect your mpg. Even the epa says that their estimates are for comparison purposes and are not absolute values: Link .

[whizmo]

In my experience, the OP has a point in that many of us (myself included) are, for the first time in our ownership of any vehicle, getting signfiicantly worse mileage than the EPA estimates and are doing no better than larger/heavier SUVs are doing. There are too many of us getting poor mileage to attribute it simply to driving habits.

In my case, I replaced an SUV rated 16 urban that was getting 17 with a Pilot rated at 17 urban that is now getting 15. No change in drivers, terrain, driving habits, etc. This experience has been reported by tens of us on this board.

I think if some of you crowing about your consistent 19 mpg would put in $50 worth of gas after traveling 220 miles in the "most fuel efficient SUV in it's class", you'd be a little more sympathetic.

Having said all this, this is NOT class action lawsuit material. As others have said, Honda didn't do the tests, the EPA did. And there is nothing in Honda's claims that is specific enough to hold up in any kind of lawsuit. The only winner in such a lawsuit would be the lawyers.

- Mark