Spinout Experience

[t2188na]

I'm a little shaken and concerned that I just came of an X-way on at 30MPH ramp, doing a little less than 30MPH with a slight right curve coming up to a light did a 180. I just finished raining but the pavement appeared clear and drying quickly.

I have driven that ramp countless times in 30 years and in any vehicle I have ever had or driven there I never, ever had that happen.

I'm feel very fortunate that I was away from the cars at the light with nobody around me. I am very lucky not to crash it or go into the grass. (Thank you big guy).

I have had my 2003 with 41,000 miles less
than one month. The tires are fine (Integrity). On Sat we are going from Detroit to Mackinaw City. I am obviously very concerned and so is my wife.

If this makes any sense the vehicle controlled itself (in the spin) very well.

Once the tires cool down I'm going to double check them set them at 32psi.

Yes I am a NEWBIE, yes, yes, yes to the nth degree. My wife has a CRV and no problems on that ramp - rain or shine.

$!@*_)!@*$!_$*!@_$*!@_$*!@_)$*_!!!!!
NJA

[drm1111]

The Goodyears are know for poor traction in the rain. I personally like the Michelin Cross Terrains. I noticed a big difference after I put the Michelins on. I had several occasions where I got a little "loose" in the rain with the Goodyears.

[jay]

Spinning on damp pavement was the last straw for me with those F%$%$ing Integrity tires. Switched to Michelin Cross Terrains and that problem went away.

[t2188na]

Thanks for the info guys.

I'm pretty ticked off since I just bought it and now have to put new tires on it.

I really hope that when I'm on I-75 going to Northern Lower MI (car will be loaded up) that I can drive in the rain at 60-65.

Should I be worried that I might be putting us at a big risk?

What do you think?

Thanks - Newbie

I just posted a my gas mileage.

[krygny]

I never had a problem with the Integritys but they only had 33K mi. on them when I replaced them with Goodyear Forterra TripleTreds, which I am convinced are the perfect tires for the Pilot.

The handling of the Pilot makes it feel tight, nimble and as if it's smaller and lighter than it really is. It's easy to forget it weighs 4400 pounds but physics dictates that it can't be driven like a lighter vehicle. It goes like the dickens in rain, snow or ice but it doesn't stop any better than anything else that weighs as much.

[hontor]

I would consider new tires at this point. Tires with 41,000 are all done in my opinion. Especially the Integrity's. Not worth the risk at all to you or your family.

[Sportymonk]

Let's not forget that it has just lightly rained. The beginning of rain on roads that have been dry for a long time are especially dangerous until the oil and other things on the road are washed away.

That said, the Badyear lack-of-integrities have a reputation of poor wet and snow handling. All about all that can be said is that they are black, round and usually hold air.

A word of caution about trying the 30 trial tires. Make sure there is no mileage limitation on them. Also, try to pick a set that you may want to live with later. The top mentioned tires seem to be the Bridgestone Alenzas (sic?), the Goodyear Silent Armors, the Michelin Cross Terrains, and the Good year Triple Treads.

The Integrity's are some of the cheapest tires for the Pilot, I don't like "cheap" tires.

As stated above, at 41,000 most tires are in need of replacing. Some tires have a hard compound that gives long life but poor grip. I suspect that is the case with the lack-of-integrities.

Yeah I would be upset too about having to buy new tires but maybe you could go back to the dealer and see if he will help. (Maybe help get a price break on the new tires or something.)

[t2188na]

I checked my tires and they were at 36psi cold.

I lowered them to 32psi cold.

Do you think that I should keep it there for my trip? The Pilot will be fairly loaded up.

Do you think that it might give me little better grip on wet roads?

I'm not a tire expert.

Thank for the other responses. They were very helpful.

NJA (Newbie)

[humanoid]

32 seems a bit low to me. I would probably air them to 34, just to split the difference.

[sblvro]

try the bridgestone dueler A/T revos. you can't be wrong! best rated by tirerack and 4runner owners alike. especially if you plan to use it michigan a lot. I've been there and I know they don't plow the snow until 24 hours later(yup, even interstate highways).

[BigJimCalhoun]

I had a pair of Bridgestone Dueller (II APT ?) from Sears on the Tacoma and I got about 100,000 miles out of them. No complaints.

If you go to the Goodyear site, you will see that the Integrity is listed under passenger cars, not SUV.

I am considering getting the BF Goodrich All Terrain Radials for the Tacoma, maybe even the Pilot. The BFG AT/Rs are really aggressive. They will be loud and rough, but everyone in the Tacoma club swears by them. We live in Colorado and lots of roads around here are washboarded dirt.

http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyea...area=Passenger


http://www.bfgoodrich.com/ (sorry, no direct link as they have a stupid web site with frames and therefore, no direct links to pages.

[Sportymonk]

Originally posted by sblvro
try the bridgestone dueler A/T revos. you can't be wrong! best rated by tirerack and 4runner owners alike. especially if you plan to use it michigan a lot. I've been there and I know they don't plow the snow until 24 hours later(yup, even interstate highways).

I have been puzzled by the Revos as they are an All Terrain tire which you would normally expect to be noisier and not have as smooth a ride but Tire Rack indicates they are quieter than the Bridgestone Alanzas.

[xGS]

Originally posted by BigJimCalhoun
I am considering getting the BF Goodrich All Terrain Radials for the Tacoma, maybe even the Pilot. The BFG AT/Rs are really aggressive. They will be loud and rough, but everyone in the Tacoma club swears by them. We live in Colorado and lots of roads around here are washboarded dirt.

http://www.bfgoodrich.com/ (sorry, no direct link as they have a stupid web site with frames and therefore, no direct links to pages.

The web page you want is here: [http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/bfgap...erraintako.jsp]

[Sunday Rider]

Originally posted by t2188na
I checked my tires and they were at 36psi cold.

I lowered them to 32psi cold.

Do you think that I should keep it there for my trip? The Pilot will be fairly loaded up.

Do you think that it might give me little better grip on wet roads?

I'm not a tire expert.

Thank for the other responses. They were very helpful.

NJA (Newbie)

I have the same tires on my 2003, I keep them at 34-36, and when it rains I keep lots of distance between me and the guy in front, and drop to the speed limit. I once hydroplaned when I first got it, so I know exactly how you feel. With it loaded down, you will also have better grip.
If you get a chance, change them as the above posters have indicated. No sense on the added stress. But if you keep them, just know their limitations.

[N_Jay]

I would guess the road was slick, the tires were marginal, but what caused the problem was that for some reason the VTM-4 came on hard (probably detecting slip) and locked the back wheels together.

With no differential action between the rear wheels in a corner rear traction was lost and the back end came around.

You might have been coming in to the turn under power, and when it felt a bit loose you lifted the throttle suddenly. (my guess)

You say the Pilot was loaded? If you had a lot of weight in the rear, it would increase the tendency to do this.

This is classic "Trailing Throttle Over-steer".