diesel engines?

[sblvro]

would a diesel engined vehicle or SUV be better in the long run with all the increase in regular and premium? Would there be enough diesel vs regular and premium?

I was looking at the MB bluetec E320 CDI and with 23 city and 32 highway that is a very reasonable alternative to a hybrid full size car! comments?

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by sblvro
would a diesel engined vehicle or SUV be better in the long run with all the increase in regular and premium? Would there be enough diesel vs regular and premium?

I was looking at the MB bluetec E320 CDI and with 23 city and 32 highway that is a very reasonable alternative to a hybrid full size car! comments?

Diesel is much better in the long run.
The problem is we will not get to the "long run" until a significant number of diesel passenger vehicles are on the road.

[jcantanixon]

1. This thread needs to get moved to Other Automobiles.

2. The E320 Bluetec replaced the E320 CDI, so it's one technology or the other, not both.

3. On topic, I test drove the E320 CDI a couple of months ago and I really liked it. Decent power, barely noisier at idle, no diesel smell at all. The rest of the car was identical to every other E class I've been in. I ended up passing because I couldn't justify the cost, even with the fuel savings over my current commuter. If I was in the market for a midsize luxury, the E320 Bluetec would be near the top of my list.

[sblvro]

Originally posted by jcantanixon
1. This thread needs to get moved to Other Automobiles.

2. The E320 Bluetec replaced the E320 CDI, so it's one technology or the other, not both.

3. On topic, I test drove the E320 CDI a couple of months ago and I really liked it. Decent power, barely noisier at idle, no diesel smell at all. The rest of the car was identical to every other E class I've been in. I ended up passing because I couldn't justify the cost, even with the fuel savings over my current commuter. If I was in the market for a midsize luxury, the E320 Bluetec would be near the top of my list.

1. I'm actually in the market for another vehicle, so it wasn't a question about the E320 Bluetec CDI but was just thrown as an example. The GL CDI would be nice but the mileage of the diesel is not that much. So, no, not in the other automobile section. Will be keeping the pilot for good, btw

2. It is actually one and the same. The E320 Bluetec is also a CDI(common-rail direct injection)

3. I like that it will get 32 miles per gallon(I used to drive a 300TD wagen) and acceleration should be as expected. Other choices would be the 2009 E90 M3, GTR(only if msrp), IS-F or CLS550(pricey!).

[th10000]

I have always thought diesel was the way to go, however, now that diesel costs 20% more that regular gas and is continuing to rise at a faster rate, I would not purchase one for the fuel cost savings (since there is little or none). In the MB example, at 32MPG the diesel cost would be the same as a gas powered 27MPG car.

[sblvro]

Originally posted by th10000
I have always thought diesel was the way to go, however, now that diesel costs 20% more that regular gas and is continuing to rise at a faster rate, I would not purchase one for the fuel cost savings (since there is little or none). In the MB example, at 32MPG the diesel cost would be the same as a gas powered 27MPG car.

a comparable vehicle would be the gs hybrid and all it gets is 25mpg?

http://www.lexus.com/models/GSh/deta...fications.html

[colorider]

Originally posted by jcantanixon
1. This thread needs to get moved to Other Automobiles.

Agree......

Moved

[th10000]

a comparable vehicle would be the gs hybrid and all it gets is 25mpg?


Yes, but 22mpg city - the same as the MB but on 20% cheaper gas so you would probably come out ahead on the GS450H unless you drive only hwy. There are also many other comparable verhicles that get around 17-18 city and 24-27hwy, which when factoring in the cheaper gas prices are pretty much a wash on fuel costs. Besides, considering these are $50,000 cars, my decision would not come down to a couple hundered dollars more or less per year on fuel.

[rocky]

Wait for the Accord/TSX diesel. The Euro version returns 38US mpg.

The Auto diesel will be introduced in the spring in Europe and hopefully here shortly thereafter. A Honda has to be cheaper to run and own than a MB

[sblvro]

Originally posted by rocky
Wait for the Accord/TSX diesel. The Euro version returns 38US mpg.

The Auto diesel will be introduced in the spring in Europe and hopefully here shortly thereafter. A Honda has to be cheaper to run and own than a MB

luxury without the guilt

[rocky]

We all know Audi races V12 diesels at Le Mans and elsewhere, but did you know about KIA?

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080602....gring-24-hours

[sblvro]

Originally posted by th10000
a comparable vehicle would be the gs hybrid and all it gets is 25mpg?


Yes, but 22mpg city - the same as the MB but on 20% cheaper gas so you would probably come out ahead on the GS450H unless you drive only hwy. There are also many other comparable verhicles that get around 17-18 city and 24-27hwy, which when factoring in the cheaper gas prices are pretty much a wash on fuel costs. Besides, considering these are $50,000 cars, my decision would not come down to a couple hundered dollars more or less per year on fuel.

if there is going to be shortage or short supply of gas, is it going to be the regular/premium or diesel? I tried putting gas in my local shell station and guess what, no regular or midgrade, just premium. I did not check the diesel part.

[sblvro]

very timely! I remember those MB diesels lasting up to 300,000 miles and more as the norm vs the gasoline counterparts.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24842229/

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by sblvro


if there is going to be shortage or short supply of gas, is it going to be the regular/premium or diesel? I tried putting gas in my local shell station and guess what, no regular or midgrade, just premium. I did not check the diesel part.

All that meant is that one station ran out of regular.

The mid grade is a mix, so if you run out of regular or premium, you run out of mid also.

Guess the guy should have moved his regular price up one cent or his premium price down a few.