CD/DVD Copying

[N_Jay]

http://www.slysoft.com/en/

Anyone use products from this company.

I am trying to make backups of the kids games and movies.
I am getting tired of having to fix scratched disks.

[2muchfun]

I use 3 of their products and have been very happy. I've been backing up CDs and DVDs with their software for about a year now. they have free updates almost too often. Good stuff

[BubbleSparkxx]

i've been using dvd shrink for years. highly recommended and its free. google it and enjoy.

[Josey92]

DVD Shrink on the PC side and FastDVD for the Mac side.

Have to admit that the Shrink is much faster once you learn to use it. FastDVD is pretty brainless to use.

[CMasten]

Shrink has not been updated in over a year and a half, wont work on any of the new Sony Arcos stuff and wont work on games. It was the defacto application in its day though, and you can still use its compression if you like it, by running AnyDVD to break the encryption. Lots of people use it that way. CloneDVD2 is much faster though, with AnyDVD as a combination you can rip and burn (with about 80% compression) to a 4.7 gig Disk on an 8x burner in under 20 minutes start to finish..

[BubbleSparkxx]

i've heard that shrink has issues with some newer discs. i haven't "backed up" discs since my blockbuster subsscription lapsed. evrything is way more convenient with newsgroups / usenet *wink*

[N_Jay]

I have received lots of suggestions (from this and other forum),.
Everyone seems to have a favorite, but no one has anything bad to say about CloneDVD/AnyDVD, so with after a quick test of the trial version, and the price going up for the new year, I bit.

Thanks all for the advice and information.

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx
i've heard that shrink has issues with some newer discs. i haven't "backed up" discs since my blockbuster subsscription lapsed. evrything is way more convenient with newsgroups / usenet *wink*

Well, more information that helps me "respect" your position on legal/ethical/moral/political issues.

[BubbleSparkxx]

kettle, pot, black.

you're the one requesting info on multiple forums about circumventing DMCA, buddy. so how about we hold each others hands while we watch you break the law.

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx
kettle, pot, black.

you're the one requesting info on multiple forums about circumventing DMCA, buddy. so how about we hold each others hands while we watch you break the law.

To the best of my knowledge DMCA has not been tested in court to disallow otherwise legal copying under "Fair Use". If you know otherwise please tell me.

Copying for personal use of legally owned property is quite a bit different than copying of non-owned (rented) property.

As presented in a long discussion on another forum, the current wording on the copyright notice disallows "Unauthorized Reproduction", not "Reproduction".

Being a layperson, I have the reasonable ability to use the established common principles of "Fair Use" to determine what I consider authorized or unauthorized reproduction, up to the point that the copyright holder(or case law) clarifies it.

The copying of rented material falls outside ANY common interpretation of legal copying.

So, while copying encrypted material prior to case law being developed might be considered "gray", in the black and white eyes of the law, copying rented property is BLACK under all possible rationalizations.

Sorry BS; but your analogy is "BS"!

[BubbleSparkxx]

Originally posted by N_Jay


To the best of my knowledge DMCA has not been tested in court to disallow otherwise legal copying under "Fair Use". If you know otherwise please tell me.

Copying for personal use of legally owned property is quite a bit different than copying of non-owned (rented) property.

As presented in a long discussion on another forum, the current wording on the copyright notice disallows "Unauthorized Reproduction", not "Reproduction".

Being a layperson, I have the reasonable ability to use the established common principles of "Fair Use" to determine what I consider authorized or unauthorized reproduction, up to the point that the copyright holder(or case law) clarifies it.

The copying of rented material falls outside ANY common interpretation of legal copying.

So, while copying encrypted material prior to case law being developed might be considered "gray", in the black and white eyes of the law, copying rented property is BLACK under all possible rationalizations.

Sorry BS; but your analogy is "BS"!

eh - whatever lets you sleep at nite.

RIAA and MPAA both disagree with your legal rights to do anything that deals with ripping the information stored on your kids games and their baby einstein movies. to even "back up" self owned dvds regardless of usage us illegal according to DMCA b/c you need to break the copy protection scheme that the info is encrypted in. Layman or not (or your choice of ignoring the understanding of the legal ramifications), when you break the law, you're still breaking the law.

honestly, i could give a crap what you want to back up, i was just trying to help out. if you prefer me not to respond to any of your posts, i'd be more than happy to, dickus.

but the minute you're ripping any commercial dvd with encryption, you bet your sweet ass that you are in violation of DMCA.

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx


eh - whatever lets you sleep at nite.

RIAA and MPAA both disagree with your legal rights to do anything that deals with ripping the information stored on your kids games and their baby einstein movies. to even "back up" self owned dvds regardless of usage us illegal according to DMCA b/c you need to break the copy protection scheme that the info is encrypted in. Layman or not (or your choice of ignoring the understanding of the legal ramifications), when you break the law, you're still breaking the law.

honestly, i could give a crap what you want to back up, i was just trying to help out. if you prefer me not to respond to any of your posts, i'd be more than happy to, dickus.

but the minute you're ripping any commercial dvd with encryption, you bet your sweet ass that you are in violation of DMCA.

If you care please explain the meaning of this provision:
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Section 1201 also says that:

it will not affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use
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Notice how "fair use" is mentioned directly, yet "theft" (What you indirectly implied you were doing) is not.

If you truly don't see or understand the difference, then you are certainly the "dickus" in this discussion.

Not to be confused with: http://www.flyarmy.org/K10534.HTM

[ottopilot]

Originally posted by N_Jay
http://www.slysoft.com/en/

Anyone use products from this company.

I am trying to make backups of the kids games and movies.
I am getting tired of having to fix scratched disks.

I use the AnyDVD just to get around the Sony encryption. But use DVD Decryptor to rip DL discs and then use DVD Shrink to lighten the size to fit single layer discs.

Check out videohelp.com for more info on backing up your dvds.

[BubbleSparkxx]

ok N_Jay- let me spell this out for you.

you buy a commercial dvd with copyrighted material on the disc.

that copyrighted material is ENCRYPTED on the disc.

you, as the owner of the disc can do almost anything you like to the disc. play it in your computer, play it in a dvd player, use it as a frisbee, put it in a microwave and watch it spark up.

but the minute you even attempt to rip or DECRYPT the copyrighted material, regardless of your "fair use" interpretation of the law, you are in violation of DMCA. You are not allowed, by law, to DECRYPT, or BREAK the copyprotection on any Dora the Explorer discs.

let the issue drop - technically you're wrong. in the eyes of the MPAA/RIAA, you'd be legally guilty.

dickus.

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx
ok N_Jay- let me spell this out for you.

you buy a commercial dvd with copyrighted material on the disc.

that copyrighted material is ENCRYPTED on the disc.

you, as the owner of the disc can do almost anything you like to the disc. play it in your computer, play it in a dvd player, use it as a frisbee, put it in a microwave and watch it spark up.

but the minute you even attempt to rip or DECRYPT the copyrighted material, regardless of your "fair use" interpretation of the law, you are in violation of DMCA. You are not allowed, by law, to DECRYPT, or BREAK the copyprotection on any Dora the Explorer discs.

let the issue drop - technically you're wrong. in the eyes of the MPAA/RIAA, you'd be legally guilty.

dickus.

1) MPAA and RIAA would be the plaintiffs, and not the legal determining body, so what is "in their eyes" is irrelevant until they have some case law behind them.

2) By lay interpretation of the DMCA, any copying of encrypted or coded works is illegal.

3) It has not been determined if the provisions of DMCA in #2 above are legal on their own merits, since to the best of my knowledge there is no case law to support them. (I acknowledge that this does not make them illegal by default.)

4. Other than using the term "gray" to define where DMCA prohibited but otherwise "fair use" copying, I have not said ANYTHING in this thread that is (to use your term) "technically . . . wrong".

5. My comment concerning your (implied) copying was specifically in regard to acts which fall outside "fair use", and are therefore illegal with or without DMCA.

So, as I see it, unless you are an attorney with experience in Intellectual Property law, and you would like to refute a SINGLE POINT I HAVE MADE, YOU, and not I, are WRONG!

Now, I will let the issue drop

(Unless you want to continue to defend your incorrect position.
If so, please provide some SOLID information, and not just your unsupported assertions.)