CD/DVD Copying

[BubbleSparkxx]

LOL - you love being a bully. you insist on having the last word, and bullying your point home, regardless how outlandish your logic.

there is no difference in a "lay" and a "legal" interpretation of DMCA. To break the copyprotection on a dvd is to break the copy protection on a dvd.

the data you intend to "back up" is legally protected by DMCA and copy right protected by CSS. You seem to finally agree with me that you would be in clear violation of DMCA when you are copying encrypted / coded works. that was my point in this whole discussion - So why are you arguing with me? is it so to satisfy the bully in you?

And when I wrote technically, it was meant in the TECHNOLOGICAL sense - as in, you rip encrypted / coded material, and you are in violation of DMCA.

I guess the MPAA / RIAA is meaningless until they knock on your door with a subpoena for the "backups" you made.

now are you going to try to keep kicking sand in my face or are you going to go break some laws when you get your "back up software"?

Originally posted by N_Jay



1) MPAA and RIAA would be the plaintiffs, and not the legal determining body, so what is "in their eyes" is irrelevant until they have some case law behind them.

2) By lay interpretation of the DMCA, any copying of encrypted or coded works is illegal.

3) It has not been determined if the provisions of DMCA in #2 above are legal on their own merits, since to the best of my knowledge there is no case law to support them. (I acknowledge that this does not make them illegal by default.)

4. Other than using the term "gray" to define where DMCA prohibited but otherwise "fair use" copying, I have not said ANYTHING in this thread that is (to use your term) "technically . . . wrong".

5. My comment concerning your (implied) copying was specifically in regard to acts which fall outside "fair use", and are therefore illegal with or without DMCA.

So, as I see it, unless you are an attorney with experience in Intellectual Property law, and you would like to refute a SINGLE POINT I HAVE MADE, YOU, and not I, are WRONG!

Now, I will let the issue drop

(Unless you want to continue to defend your incorrect position.
If so, please provide some SOLID information, and not just your unsupported assertions.)

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx
LOL - you love being a bully. you insist on having the last word, and bullying your point home, regardless how outlandish your logic.

there is no difference in a "lay" and a "legal" interpretation of DMCA. To break the copyprotection on a dvd is to break the copy protection on a dvd.

the data you intend to "back up" is legally protected by DMCA and copy right protected by CSS. You seem to finally agree with me that you would be in clear violation of DMCA when you are copying encrypted / coded works. that was my point in this whole discussion - So why are you arguing with me? is it so to satisfy the bully in you?

And when I wrote technically, it was meant in the TECHNOLOGICAL sense - as in, you rip encrypted / coded material, and you are in violation of DMCA.

I guess the MPAA / RIAA is meaningless until they knock on your door with a subpoena for the "backups" you made.

now are you going to try to keep kicking sand in my face or are you going to go break some laws when you get your "back up software"?

Whatever.

My comment to you was about your copying rented movies.

If you want to continue to believe that its all black and white with DMCA, and there is no difference between "fair use" and other copying, then have fun.

Personally i hope they sort out DMCA because by my reading it has internal conflicts, mostly around the fact it states "fair use" is not affected, but then outlaws "all" reproduction of encrypted works.
How do you resolve that without case law?

[2muchfun]

Why do you even argue with NJAY? He knows it all ... but you didnt know that did you... but he did

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by 2muchfun
Why do you even argue with NJAY? He knows it all ... but you didnt know that did you... but he did

Hey, I did not start this part of the thread, and I invited corrections, which so far BS has not been able to make.

So, EXACTLY where am I wrong in this thread?

[BubbleSparkxx]

i'm just enjoying bristling him because he got caught with his pants down and he knows it.

He knows he's breaking the law if he even attempts to rip a dvd. he's even admitted it so in his posts, yet he keeps claiming that he's doing no wrong.

he's just a cyber bully that insists on getting his way - on getting the very final word of this issue. he enjoys bullying people into silence or submission. and thats something that I will not allow him to do to me.

so n_jay, care to share with us if you've gone ahead and "backed up" your kids dvd?

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx
i'm just enjoying bristling him because he got caught with his pants down and he knows it.

He knows he's breaking the law if he even attempts to rip a dvd. he's even admitted it so in his posts, yet he keeps claiming that he's doing no wrong.

he's just a cyber bully that insists on getting his way - on getting the very final word of this issue. he enjoys bullying people into silence or submission. and thats something that I will not allow him to do to me.

so n_jay, care to share with us if you've gone ahead and "backed up" your kids dvd?

Most certainly have.

If you care please explain the meaning of this provision:
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Section 1201 also says that:

it will not affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use
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Glad you enjoy copying rented movies!

[john802]

Originally posted by CMasten
Shrink has not been updated in over a year and a half, wont work on any of the new Sony Arcos stuff and wont work on games. It was the defacto application in its day though, and you can still use its compression if you like it, by running AnyDVD to break the encryption. Lots of people use it that way. CloneDVD2 is much faster though, with AnyDVD as a combination you can rip and burn (with about 80% compression) to a 4.7 gig Disk on an 8x burner in under 20 minutes start to finish..

I've been using RipIt4Me in combination w/ Dvd Decrypter & Dvd Shrink to backup my Dvd movie collection. All the softwares mention are free to download.

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx
i'm just enjoying bristling him because he got caught with his pants down and he knows it.

I guess I see it a little differently.

I see you trying to justify your theft by equating it to fair use copying.

Seems you went on the offensive when I made the comment devalues your position on legal/ethical/moral/political issues.

Remember, character is what you do when no one is looking.

[BubbleSparkxx]

lol - you bully - you can't stand the fact that I'm right for calling you out to be the criminal that you are.

regardless for whatever provisions you want to use to "defend" your "right" to circumvent the copy protection scheme, that still makes you prosecutable in a court of law.

be a man - admit it. And we'd all have some respect for you, rather than snicker at your feeble attempts to keep up your Bully motif.

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx
lol - you bully - you can't stand the fact that I'm right for calling you out to be the criminal that you are.

regardless for whatever provisions you want to use to "defend" your "right" to circumvent the copy protection scheme, that still makes you prosecutable in a court of law.

be a man - admit it. And we'd all have some respect for you, rather than snicker at your feeble attempts to keep up your Bully motif.

Admit what?

First you accuse me of being "wrong", but you can not point to anything I have presented that was "wrong". (Including already "admitting" what you seem to want "admitted" again)

Second, You are the one who is indisputably violating the letter and the intent of copyright laws with or without regard to DMCA.

Third, you were silent on the issue until I pointed out how it reflects on the value of your position on legal/ethical/moral/political issues. (I seem to have hit a hot button)

Please answer at least ONE of these issues. (Or admit you are just being a$$hole, as is obvious)

[ramirami]

so at the current time what do people prefer to use?

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by ramirami
so at the current time what do people prefer to use?

http://www.slysoft.com/en/

It seems to work well for the little I use it.

Worth the $$ just for fixing a few damaged disks.

[macphanatic]

John802 has the right combination to backup most discs.

[sfhondapilot]

slysoft's anydvd and dvdshrink.

[switch]

Anyone use a single program to rip their DVDs to an iPod video? The only way I've found to do it is to extract the main movie from the DVD with one program, and then use another to convert that to MP4 format.