MP3, WMA help - Honda Pilot

N_Jay · 05-07-2005, 03:43 PM

OK, what do people recommend for file type and encoding rate for portable players.

Seems most players can do either MP3 or WMA.

So what is best?????

Let the arguing begin.

P.S. If it matters it is for a Zen Miro 5 Gig player and Rio 128 meg player with a 512 card added.

CMasten · 05-07-2005, 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by N_Jay
OK, what do people recommend for file type and encoding rate for portable players.

Seems most players can do either MP3 or WMA.

So what is best?????

Let the arguing begin.

P.S. If it matters it is for a Zen Miro 5 Gig player and Rio 128 meg player with a 512 card added.

sampling is really subjective, but I find that 128kb works great for my portables, and MP3 is pretty much a standard in a nice small package. I would not go much less than 128kb but experiment and see what you prefer. With 128kb/MP3 combo you would get about 1250 songs on your Zen

jay · 05-07-2005, 04:00 PM

My subjective test a couple of years ago showed that, to my ears anyway, a WMA file at a 64k sampling rate sounded better than an mp3 at 128k. Now the hardware's so big, I don't worry about file sizes. I also don't do WMA, as Apple devices don't support it.

N_Jay · 05-07-2005, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by jay
My subjective test a couple of years ago showed that, to my ears anyway, a WMA file at a 64k sampling rate sounded better than an mp3 at 128k. Now the hardware's so big, I don't worry about file sizes. I also don't do WMA, as Apple devices don't support it.

That's OK, I don't suport Apple devices!

Defalt for the Rio (Mine) SW is 128 kBs WMA.
I have not installed the Zen (daughters) SW yet, so I don't know where it defaults.

robrecht · 05-07-2005, 05:39 PM

I prefer MP3 rather than WMA because I don't like the copyright limitations that Windows is incorporating into their protected WMA files. For example, if I update the ROM on my PocketPC, Windows Media Player for PPC believes that I am no longer authorized to play that piece of music and their software attempts to fix it by offering to connect to the Internet, except that the standard Windows browser on a PPC is not compatible with the JAVA script website that would supposedly identify me as the legitimate owner. If I copy the protected file from my computer onto my CF card, that still doesn't fix things. I have to delete the old file from my CF card and then let Windows Media Player on my PPC resync the protected copy on my PPC with the PPC version of Windows Media Player on my PPC. I went through 3 rounds of customer service before I found someone at MSN music who was knowledgeable enough to understand the problem and not suggest completely inane, time-wasting work-arounds. So much easier with the MP3 files that I bought from other vendors rather than the copy-protected WMA files I bought from MSN music.

Now I think it is also possible to use non-copyright protected WMA files, but I'm not sure it's always so easy to tell the difference so I'd just as soon stay away from BillGatesism in general as far as this is possible. Same problem came about with SONY when they try to sell useful hardware and also protect their content selling divisions. They ended up with proprietary software and proprietary formats that did not benefit the end user. I think this was why SONY ended up sueing themselves, where different parts of the company were both plaintiff and defendent.

In the end, it's better to learn how to play guitar, banjo, or mandolin, and make your own music!

N_Jay · 05-07-2005, 05:56 PM

Well, I am mostly just ripping tracks from CD's I own, so it is just a mater of selecting the format.
Guess I will start with WMA for the smaller files for now, and change if i get pissed at BG. (Me and Bill are buds!)

john802 · 05-07-2005, 08:01 PM

I prefer mp3 over wma file.

ramirami · 05-07-2005, 10:51 PM

wma

use mpeg4

BCinTX · 05-07-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by ramirami

use mpeg4

Flawed advice from an iPod bigot. Doesn't look like the Zen plays mp4.

ramirami · 05-08-2005, 08:40 AM

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Originally posted by BCinTX

Doesn't look like the Zen plays mp4.

so suffer with lower compression

N_Jay · 05-08-2005, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by ramirami
wma

use mpeg4

What is MPEG4?

ramirami · 05-08-2005, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by N_Jay
What is MPEG4?

higher compression than MP3...ipod/itunes supports that...not sure which other companies support that

john802 · 05-08-2005, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by N_Jay
What is MPEG4?

MPEG4 is the new kid on the block! It compresses both audio and video much better . It rivals closer to a uncompress cd in terms of audio w/ smaller file footprint. Check here for additional info about mpeg4.

N_Jay · 05-08-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by john802

MPEG4 is the new kid on the block! It compresses both audio and video much better . It rivals closer to a uncompress cd in terms of audio w/ smaller file footprint. Check here for additional info about mpeg4.

Well MPEG is the group that standardises AV compressions systems.

MP3 is MPEG Layer 3 (Audio Compression)
I think it is from MPEG-1, but it may be from MPEG-2 (DVD).

Oh well, now you made me look it up myself.

Seems that WMA at 128 is good, and MP3 at 196 is about the same.

ramirami · 05-08-2005, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by N_Jay

That's OK, I don't suport Apple devices!

.

but why get into any proprietary technology?

05-07-2005, 03:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
N_Jay Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chicago, NW Burbs Posts: 13,555 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	MP3, WMA help OK, what do people recommend for file type and encoding rate for portable players. Seems most players can do either MP3 or WMA. So what is best????? Let the arguing begin. P.S. If it matters it is for a Zen Miro 5 Gig player and Rio 128 meg player with a 512 card added. __________________ However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. Sir Winston Churchill

05-07-2005, 04:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
jay Super Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Manassas, VA Posts: 11,116 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My subjective test a couple of years ago showed that, to my ears anyway, a WMA file at a 64k sampling rate sounded better than an mp3 at 128k. Now the hardware's so big, I don't worry about file sizes. I also don't do WMA, as Apple devices don't support it. __________________ 2012 Toyota Highlander Hybrid Limited "When you get to the fork in the road, take it." --Yogi Berra

05-07-2005, 05:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
robrecht Super Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: East Amwell, New Jersey Posts: 4,141 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I prefer MP3 rather than WMA because I don't like the copyright limitations that Windows is incorporating into their protected WMA files. For example, if I update the ROM on my PocketPC, Windows Media Player for PPC believes that I am no longer authorized to play that piece of music and their software attempts to fix it by offering to connect to the Internet, except that the standard Windows browser on a PPC is not compatible with the JAVA script website that would supposedly identify me as the legitimate owner. If I copy the protected file from my computer onto my CF card, that still doesn't fix things. I have to delete the old file from my CF card and then let Windows Media Player on my PPC resync the protected copy on my PPC with the PPC version of Windows Media Player on my PPC. I went through 3 rounds of customer service before I found someone at MSN music who was knowledgeable enough to understand the problem and not suggest completely inane, time-wasting work-arounds. So much easier with the MP3 files that I bought from other vendors rather than the copy-protected WMA files I bought from MSN music. Now I think it is also possible to use non-copyright protected WMA files, but I'm not sure it's always so easy to tell the difference so I'd just as soon stay away from BillGatesism in general as far as this is possible. Same problem came about with SONY when they try to sell useful hardware and also protect their content selling divisions. They ended up with proprietary software and proprietary formats that did not benefit the end user. I think this was why SONY ended up sueing themselves, where different parts of the company were both plaintiff and defendent. In the end, it's better to learn how to play guitar, banjo, or mandolin, and make your own music! __________________ Thanks, Robrecht! Charcoalishlygreenishbluishyrealpink&tealfleck metallic EXL-RES with Rumble Seat, Foglights, Chrome Bumper Garnish (of course!), and Merrywang Transport Netting. And an RX-8 or Miata for my twice daily hill climb.

05-07-2005, 05:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
N_Jay Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chicago, NW Burbs Posts: 13,555 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well, I am mostly just ripping tracks from CD's I own, so it is just a mater of selecting the format. Guess I will start with WMA for the smaller files for now, and change if i get pissed at BG. (Me and Bill are buds!) __________________ However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. Sir Winston Churchill

05-07-2005, 08:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
john802 Rip Tide Dude! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southern Cal Posts: 3,054 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I prefer mp3 over wma file. __________________ 2003 Honda Pilot EX Starlight Silver* OEM Full Nose Mask \| Wheel Locks \| Cross Bars \| OEM Running Boards \| Chrome Accent - OEM Running Board \| Rear Splash Guard \| OEM '04 Horn \| Cloud-Rider Spectare Black Stainless Steel Grille Screen & Bumper Combo \| Thule Ski Rack #725 \| Thule Snowboard Carrier #575 \|OEM All Season Floor Mats \|OEM Cargo Tray \| Pilot Motorsports #PM555 Stainless Steel Exhaust Tips \| PowerStation Pro Portable Charger/Compressor/Emergency Light \| Tire Step Ladder \| Eurodezigns Blue Xenon H4 Bulbs & H3 Fog Light Bulbs \| Infinity Kappa Speakers \| Dynamat Original/Extreme \| Complete Set of 3M Protector \| 3M Metallic Tint \| Covercraft Noah Custom Cover \| Microtune #141X Antenna Amplifier \| Dashmat Dash Cover \| Full Size Spare Tire \| Broadway Napolex BW-86 Wide Inside Rear View Mirror \| Complete Sets of Dark Smoke WeatherTech WeatherFlectors \| Westin Black Rear Bumper Guard \| 3rd Brake Light Mod \| 6 Disc CD Changer \| ______________________________ The dawn of love would be the end of pleasure!

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