Pilot vs. Outlook, Arcadia and CX-9?

[dj5]

Originally posted by Stever
The Honda rep told me at the Auto Show the Pilot will be in fall 08 as an 09. There will be no major changes until then.

I was at the auto show in Chicago and talked with the Honda folks there. Most of the folks were from local dealerships and didn't know jack. Guess we will have to wait and see when the new redesign is released. My money will still be in '08.

[JohnnyJet]

I have driven the acadia and the outlook. IMO they are no better than my 4 year old pilot. The ride may be a little quiter than the pilot but the acceleration felt very similar to me. I dont have the 0-60 numbers but I bet they are close. Seems to me they are copies of the pilot. Truck feels a little wider but not longer. Ride quality is about the same as it feels very carlike just like the pilot. Both new trucks from GM are exactly the same, just different nose and tail. Buick is coming out with their version call Enclave soon and thats supposed to be a bit more upscale that the other two. Reminds me of the late 70s when every GM division had a clone of the other divisions cars. For my $$$ the Pilot is the way to go.

WHY you ask---RELIABILITY

[crabeyes]

I had the Acadia #1 on my buy list. I thought it had the best features and milage between the Acadia/Pilot/ others.
Then I checked with my insurance company about the rates for each.

The pilot as a mature vehicle was $156 more the Acadia over $800.
When you add up the cost of the vehicle/yearly gas/ insurance/maintenace,
the cost ownership made the Pilot go to #1.

I'm now driving a Dark Cherry EX-L with towing.

[sjlee]

I wouldn't consider any first year vehicle, much less one from GM. IMO, GM needs to prove that the reliability on their vehicles (particularly their SUVs) has improved before I would consider something to replace our Pilot.

[tangotango99]

Originally posted by dj5



I was at the auto show in Chicago and talked with the Honda folks there. Most of the folks were from local dealerships and didn't know jack. Guess we will have to wait and see when the new redesign is released. My money will still be in '08.

November of this year will be my bet.

[mkaresh]

Some rumors just won't die.

Honda introduces new products on a cadence. They go six model years for the large trucks: Odyssey, MDX, Pilot. This probably allows the same team to do all three.

This makes the next Pilot a 2009, which Honda officials have confirmed to at least one active member of this board.

[TheEaglePilot]

New NYTimes review of the Acadia and Outlook:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/25/au...s/25AUTOS.html

Sounds like a reasonably nice vehicle. The test unit MSRP's for $5,000 more than an EX-L. And EX-L's are selling for $5,000+ under MSRP. Anyone know whether the GMC is selling at MSRP or well below?

Chris

[mkaresh]

They are very nice vehicles, but the price is a bit high.

Some rebates have been available, I think including $1,000 if you own a competitive vehicle.

One TrueDelta panel member who recently bought an Acadia instead of a Saturn Outlook said he bought the Acadia in part because the dealer discount and incentives made it about $1,000 less than the Saturn, which tends to sell at sticker.

So, you'll get a rough idea of how much an Acadia will cost if you price a Saturn, then deduct $1,000.

I'll have initial reliability information on these in May, with more solid results in Augusts. About 50 signed up to participate in my research so far.

My site's page for the Acadia:

http://www.truedelta.com/models/Acadia.php

[tangotango99]

Originally posted by mkaresh
They are very nice vehicles, but the price is a bit high.

Some rebates have been available, I think including $1,000 if you own a competitive vehicle.

One TrueDelta panel member who recently bought an Acadia instead of a Saturn Outlook said he bought the Acadia in part because the dealer discount and incentives made it about $1,000 less than the Saturn, which tends to sell at sticker.

So, you'll get a rough idea of how much an Acadia will cost if you price a Saturn, then deduct $1,000.

I'll have initial reliability information on these in May, with more solid results in Augusts. About 50 signed up to participate in my research so far.

My site's page for the Acadia:

http://www.truedelta.com/models/Acadia.php

It will be nice to know

[Sportymonk]

Just remember that Saturn has always had a "no haggle price" policy. If they can hold that when they are selling essentially the same vehicle as sister divisions, who knows. Saturn used to make unique cars with the dent resistant body panels and all that. Now GM has made them just another outlet selling European Opels and sister division vehicles. I don't see how they will be able to have no haggle prices against their sister divisions. Why buy a Saturn when you can get a GMC cheaper and its the same vehicle? Of course theere are alsways some that won't have a clue.

Originally posted by mkaresh
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So, you'll get a rough idea of how much an Acadia will cost if you price a Saturn, then deduct $1,000.

I'll have initial reliability information on these in May, with more solid results in Augusts. About 50 signed up to participate in my research so far.

My site's page for the Acadia:

http://www.truedelta.com/models/Acadia.php

[MK23666]

Originally posted by BillG


I don't think it makes any sense for Honda to develop or buy a V8 gasoline engine at the moment.

The full size truck/SUV segment is already crowded with all the domestics slugging it out and offering crazy incentives, plus Nissan and Toyota have fielded some darn good offerings.

With gas prices being what they are and no relief expected, I think Honda would be foolish to jump into the fray. Tough place to make a buck.

However, a V6 diesel might be interesting. Crazy thought, but I think it would be more interesting than just another V8.

[mkaresh]

Originally posted by Sportymonk
Just remember that Saturn has always had a "no haggle price" policy. If they can hold that when they are selling essentially the same vehicle as sister divisions, who knows. Saturn used to make unique cars with the dent resistant body panels and all that. Now GM has made them just another outlet selling European Opels and sister division vehicles. I don't see how they will be able to have no haggle prices against their sister divisions. Why buy a Saturn when you can get a GMC cheaper and its the same vehicle? Of course theere are alsways some that won't have a clue.

In this person's case the Saturn came out more expensive. But I suspect that GM will juggle prices and incentives to keep the two roughly equivalent in price after the dickering is done. This is one reason why the MSRP on the Saturn is lower.