Reliability? Honda vs. Toyota

[4X42k4]

That was VERY interesting to read...I guess it shows the dedication that Toyota has to supplying quality cars for people. I think Honda is mostly the same though, not AS good, but up there. Like we say, you cant per say, buy a Honda Pilot, have a problem and say.. HONDA STINKS! every company has flaws here and there. but so far, Ive been very happy with the Honda and its the innovative design that I like most.

[rocky]

Originally posted by rockman19762001
When I was working for Phillips Petroleum in the 80's, Phillips had a contract to supply a finished Plastic/Teflon part to Toyota. 10,000 faulty plastic parts on the conference table. Toyota then says, "This is what a 10% failure rate looks like gentlemen". A few weeks later Phillips back out of the contract, telling Toyota that 10% was good enough for every one else. Toyota replied "But where not every one else" end of story.

Any you wonder why American Manufacturers have a habit of being non competitive.

Land Rover USA returned the first shipment of Range Rovers in 1987 back to the UK as no acceptable. The US arm has always pushed and prodded the UK operation to get its act together.....

[jay]

Originally posted by rockman19762001
When I was working for Phillips Petroleum in the 80's, Phillips had a contract to supply a finished Plastic/Teflon part to Toyota. I will always remember the day that Toyota showed up at one of our quality control meetings. Phillips had just finished a ISO 2000 review and had hit a 10% failure rate. Oh, how happy our management was slapping each other silly with our accomplishment. Well, Toyota shows up: telling us that 10% is unacceptable, that they want a 1% failure rate or they are pulling the contract. Phillips had delivered 100,000 pieces to Toyota. The next moment a group of men come in and dump 10,000 faulty plastic parts on the conference table. Toyota then says, "This is what a 10% failure rate looks like gentlemen". Well, needless to say the slap-fest of glee came to a compete end. A few weeks later Phillips back out of the contract, telling Toyota that 10% was good enough for every one else. Toyota replied "But where not every one else" end of story.

I bought a '95 Ford Contour SE, and at the first good washing noticed that the surface and finish on all 4 alloy wheels wasn't smooth, and one was particularly bad. At my first service, the service writer said that any replacement wheels would come in looking the same or worse.

Of course, the first thing I checked on my next Toyota was the quality of the surface and finish on the wheels. Every single one, including the full size alloy spare, was flawless.

[jl_ss]

Originally posted by jay
I bought a '95 Ford Contour SE, and at the first good washing noticed that the surface and finish on all 4 alloy wheels wasn't smooth, and one was particularly bad. At my first service, the service writer said that any replacement wheels would come in looking the same or worse.

Of course, the first thing I checked on my next Toyota was the quality of the surface and finish on the wheels. Every single one, including the full size alloy spare, was flawless.

The finish on Honda wheels is usually fine - it's Honda/Acura's body paint and/or clear coat that usually has blemishes or is very thin to down right missing in some areas. I'd rather my wheels be screwed up than the body protection......

[4X42k4]

Well the thinner the paint is...the more chip resistant it is. Thick paint or many layers of paint is very prone to chips. I doubt that the paint on a new honda is almost missing...it had to have been compounded or buffed. I have buffed our pilot and even sanded and compounded some scratches with 2000 grit sandpaper and i've had no problems, there IS better paint out there but as far as the reliability on new honda;s the paint is pretty fair. Older ones had a lot of problems especially with rusting.

[jl_ss]

Originally posted by 4X42k4
Well the thinner the paint is...the more chip resistant it is. Thick paint or many layers of paint is very prone to chips. I doubt that the paint on a new honda is almost missing...it had to have been compounded or buffed. I have buffed our pilot and even sanded and compounded some scratches with 2000 grit sandpaper and i've had no problems, there IS better paint out there but as far as the reliability on new honda;s the paint is pretty fair. Older ones had a lot of problems especially with rusting.

Do a search on this forum and the MDX/Ody forums and you will find quite a few members who have had to have areas repainted because of very thin paint (where you can actually see the primer coat). Honda's reliablilty far surpasses their painting ability. Silver is their worst color. Our MDX was Silver and had numerous obvious blemishes and flaws. Our 2005 Silver Pilot has two areas that have very thin layers of clearcoat. You can feel the roughness of the paint through the extremely thin CC layer. Neither were compounded or buffed prior to delivery. I've had at least one Honda/Acura in the garage since 1985 - paint is not their strong point.

[chuck_tempe]

honda vs. toyota?

i've owned 3 toyota trucks and 5 hondas (cars and suvs, not including 3 honda motorcycles and a generator) currently a pilot, of course, and say all are excellent vehicles.

the best honda is by far my first, an 1986 accord hatchback. (had for 4 1/2 years and 132k miles)

the accord was japanese built and has a better quality interior than any others honda i've owned.

the interiors have gotten cheaper and cheaper over the years.

honda has slightly better looking interiors but my vote is for toyota overall.

i have other family members whom owns bmw's, nissan's, acura's, volvo's, mazda's, you name it, our big family's (or me) owned them.

by far the best cars are still toyota and honda, in that order, with toyota with a SLIGHT edge.

now, if i had more money and a use for a large truck, that new tundra is very nice.

i did own a '02 tundra and that was a great truck (and should have kept it).

[ThePilotster]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244881,00.html
Small recall going on here

[PhishingPhreak]

(at least better resale value) the American cars have closed the quality gap quite a bit over the years.

Is there really any better measure than resale?

As for closing the gap. I would say that is extremely overstated.

The fact that the American mfg's are laying off and buying out employees and consulting the Japanese mfg's says it all...........

This year, Toyota will take over GM as the largest auto mfg in the world, AND the best, or at least 2nd best.