Honda Pilot Sales Compared to Others 6/06

[jcantanixon]

Originally posted by jl_ss


Likely a less efficient drivetrain design or heavier vehicles. Honda's V6 in the Pilot gets the equivalent real world mpg of my Chevy Silverado 5.3L that has significantly more torque/HP and pulls a heavier vehicle.

I can't decide if I'm impressed with the bowtie, or dissapointed in the honda.

[5Gs]

Originally posted by jl_ss


That makes no sense. For example, If Mitsu sold 10,000 endeavors last year and were on track for 10,000 this year, but they cut production to say 5,000 and added incentives, they would have a very, very short turn time. It all depends what demand versus your production rate is. Honda is adjusting theirs according to good inventory practice. US manufacturers didn't adjust their forecasts/production levels in the previous years as demand waned and they got stuck with a lot of inventory.

what I'm saying is for them to get down to honda's numbers, it would take a drastic cut in production or major incentives. I just don't think they'll do such a big change, and therefore the turnaround time won't be better than honda's. remember, according to the article, we're talking about almost 100 days difference. maybe what I'm saying makes sense to you now? if not, oh well...

reminds me of the pontiac aztec. nobody bought them. I think even if they made just 100 of them a year, their turnaround time would still be much higher than any other vehicle out there (assuming they don't give it away for free).

[jl_ss]

Originally posted by 5Gs


what I'm saying is for them to get down to honda's numbers, it would take a drastic cut in production or major incentives. I just don't think they'll do such a big change, and therefore the turnaround time won't be better than honda's. remember, according to the article, we're talking about almost 100 days difference. maybe what I'm saying makes sense to you now? if not, oh well...

reminds me of the pontiac aztec. nobody bought them. I think even if they made just 100 of them a year, their turnaround time would still be much higher than any other vehicle out there (assuming they don't give it away for free).

And all I was pointing was that Honda did something positive to achieve those turn rates. All the other manufacturers can do the same thing to match that single metric based on their individual sales numbers. They currently haven't, so the turn rate cannot be matched immediately without drastic rebates, but it could be easily be matched in the future. The butt-ugly Aztec is an extreme case but it could easily show a fast turn rate. If demand was 1000/yr, then Pontiac just makes 800. Like the first year Pilots/MDXs where demand exceeded capacity, they would sell quick. The problem is usually that the sales forecasts are optimistic for most mfgrs except for Honda/Acura. H/A are usually very conservative and are only really suffering because the demand for SUVs is down.

[jl_ss]

Originally posted by jcantanixon


I can't decide if I'm impressed with the bowtie, or dissapointed in the honda.

The EPA mpgs are 15/19 on the Silverado and18/24 on the Pilot. I get 14/19 out of both given the same driver/route/weather/etc. The Chevy is much closer to the EPA estimate.

[jay]

Originally posted by ramirami


bad example...thats a butt ugly car

I disagree. It's got a nice butt, but a face only Garfield the Cat could love.

[PNW-Pilot]

Originally posted by jl_ss


Likely a less efficient drivetrain design or heavier vehicles. Honda's V6 in the Pilot gets the equivalent real world mpg of my Chevy Silverado 5.3L that has significantly more torque/HP and pulls a heavier vehicle.

I was thinking heavier vehicle, I think they weight like 500lbs more.

What do you get in your silverado. We averaged around 19mpg with our pilot. Best ever was 24.2.

[jl_ss]

Originally posted by PNW-Pilot


I was thinking heavier vehicle, I think they weight like 500lbs more.

What do you get in your silverado. We averaged around 19mpg with our pilot. Best ever was 24.2.

I posted above: "The EPA mpgs are 15/19 on the Silverado and 18/24 on the Pilot. I get 14/19 out of both given the same driver/route/weather/etc. The Chevy is much closer to the EPA estimate."

The specs are:

Silverado: 5300 lbs, 295 HP, 330 lb-ft
Pilot: 4500 lbs, 244 HP, 240 lb-ft

[jl_ss]

Originally posted by jay
I disagree. It's got a nice butt, but a face only Garfield the Cat could love.

I came home and our neighbors have an Aztek in the driveway . I really hope they didn't buy one and it's just visitors - I'd really hate to have to move . I'll have to go over and talk them about the neighborhood standards.

[5Gs]

Originally posted by jl_ss


I came home and our neighbors have an Aztek in the driveway . I really hope they didn't buy one and it's just visitors - I'd really hate to have to move . I'll have to go over and talk them about the neighborhood standards.

I saw one on the freeway a few times with a license plate "fuglie" on there. I'll try to snap a picture the next time I see it go by!

[BubbleSparkxx]

Totally OT - but the Aztek is truly the equilvalent of a Pacer / Gremlin. I think it's so bad, that it wouldn't be a bad idea for someone to buy one, drain the fluids, put it up on stands in a climate controlled garage, and save it as a future classic. I bet it will be worth a pretty penny someday waaaay in the future.

[jl_ss]

Originally posted by 5Gs


I saw one on the freeway a few times with a license plate "fuglie" on there. I'll try to snap a picture the next time I see it go by!

It turned out to be visitors........I don't have to move.

[PNW-Pilot]

Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx
Totally OT - but the Aztek is truly the equilvalent of a Pacer / Gremlin. I think it's so bad, that it wouldn't be a bad idea for someone to buy one, drain the fluids, put it up on stands in a climate controlled garage, and save it as a future classic. I bet it will be worth a pretty penny someday waaaay in the future.

The Gemlin/Pacer is a ocllectors item? I can't believe that it would go for more then $1000 on ebay.

[BubbleSparkxx]

Originally posted by PNW-Pilot


The Gemlin/Pacer is a ocllectors item? I can't believe that it would go for more then $1000 on ebay.

hehe - couldn't help but do a little research on ebay - here's a Gremlin w/ a Buy It Now for $6800 - which is certainly more than what it was sold for new (including inflation).

And here's a Pacer thats currently at $5000.

Go figure. Only the real ugly ones and the real good looking ones become collector's items.

[jl_ss]

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Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx


hehe - couldn't help but do a little research on ebay - here's a Gremlin w/ a Buy It Now for $6800 - which is certainly more than what it was sold for new (including inflation).

And here's a Pacer thats currently at $5000.

Go figure. Only the real ugly ones and the real good looking ones become collector's items.

That Pacer would make a nice little greenhouse.......