santa fe

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I would never buy Hyundai.
07 Santa looks better than used to be, but it is always a Hyundai.
Santa Fe was the first cheap AWD car in our country. everyone bought it. now, all the dealers services are full of the 03 - 05 models. with Hyundai there is everyday a new problem.

[2muchfun]

Sounds typical for Hyundai. First they bring a product to a country and sell their low quality crap to the people who least need to be dealing with a problematic vehicle; the less affluent. then, after they make a few bucks they start improving their vehicle and say "Look at us Now!"

I say Screw Hyundai, they should have done it right from the beginning like Honda and Toyota. Unlike alot of people, I dont forget how they treated us to their junk in their early years.

.... and I knew better than to buy one, I just heard all the stories of whoa from friends

[jay]

Guess someone here never owned an early 70s Honda or Toyota. They had their share of issues. While the engine in my Dad's '74 Celica GT was reliable, the car was a rolling rust bucket almost from the git-go. And back then if you did have any issue, you might be days without the vehicle, waiting on the boat with the parts.

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I had a friend with a rolling rustbucket 70's Honda CVCC that broke down every few weeks. I had to pick him up and drive him everywhere as he waited for parts. My parents have a 2004 Santa Fe that has been problem free.

[2muchfun]

I want to make sure we're talking apples to apples here.

Your parents Santa Fe is 2 years old and its not from Hyundais' early years in the US. .... But we shall see how its longevity turns out.
How old was the CVCC when it turned into a 'rolling rust bucket'?

The issue with getting parts from Japan in the early days was unavoidable at the time, But Hyundai building a car that was at least half way reliable was their perogative.

I cannot believe anyone would compare the early days of Honda or Toyota to what Hyundai did with the Excel in the 80s. I know of more than one situation where a person without much extra money bought a Hyundai Excel for its price and then had to deal with alllll the issues it had when they were least prepared to afford such problems. And what did Hyundai do about it? ZIPPO.


My very first car was a 78' Accord. It had 178K when I got it from my aunt and I took it to 240K before trading it in for $500 on Prelude. it Never once ever let me down and I was a teen driver
And how many problems have you heard about with the N600?

It will be a cold day in Southern Ca. before I consider a Hyundai no matter how good looking they get.

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Originally posted by 2muchfun
Sounds typical for Hyundai. First they bring a product to a country and sell their low quality crap to the people who least need to be dealing with a problematic vehicle; the less affluent. then, after they make a few bucks they start improving their vehicle and say "Look at us Now!"

I say Screw Hyundai, they should have done it right from the beginning like Honda and Toyota. Unlike alot of people, I dont forget how they treated us to their junk in their early years.

.... and I knew better than to buy one, I just heard all the stories of whoa from friends

my speech. otherway, dont like their design. every model is a model for 1 year. after year noone looks around. 3,5L - 193Hp - very old technology, i quess it was from mitsu pajero (montero) dated in 1996...

[jdeanski]

Originally posted by jay
Guess someone here never owned an early 70s Honda or Toyota. They had their share of issues. While the engine in my Dad's '74 Celica GT was reliable, the car was a rolling rust bucket almost from the git-go. And back then if you did have any issue, you might be days without the vehicle, waiting on the boat with the parts.

I think EVERY car and truck made in the 70's was a rustbucket waiting to happen. There was a saying back then that on a rainy night in Georgia you could hear a Ford rust.....or was that a Chevy.

[jl_ss]

Originally posted by 2muchfun
I want to make sure we're talking apples to apples here.

Your parents Santa Fe is 2 years old and its not from Hyundais' early years in the US. .... But we shall see how its longevity turns out.
How old was the CVCC when it turned into a 'rolling rust bucket'?

The issue with getting parts from Japan in the early days was unavoidable at the time, But Hyundai building a car that was at least half way reliable was their perogative.

I cannot believe anyone would compare the early days of Honda or Toyota to what Hyundai did with the Excel in the 80s. I know of more than one situation where a person without much extra money bought a Hyundai Excel for its price and then had to deal with alllll the issues it had when they were least prepared to afford such problems. And what did Hyundai do about it? ZIPPO.


My very first car was a 78' Accord. It had 178K when I got it from my aunt and I took it to 240K before trading it in for $500 on Prelude. it Never once ever let me down and I was a teen driver
And how many problems have you heard about with the N600?

It will be a cold day in Southern Ca. before I consider a Hyundai no matter how good looking they get.

Given Hyundia's current reliabilty ratings and the fact that they have 50K problem free miles on it, I imagine it's future reliability will be pretty good. The rusting in the CVCC started at year 2, I believe it was a 1972 CVCC.

You're the one bringing up the issue claiming that Honda and Toyota released highly reliable vehicles from day one. Anyone who owned the first few years of either knows that is simply not true. I wouldn't expect any newly formed vehicle manufacturer to release a problem free vehicle. Japans first attempts at vehicles had the same reputation that Korean mfgrs had in the beginning.

[2muchfun]

Originally posted by jl_ss


You're the one bringing up the issue claiming that Honda and Toyota released highly reliable vehicles from day one.

I didn't exactly say 'highly reliable vehicles', but yes, that was what I infered. I said they should have 'done it right from the beginning like T and H'

Originally posted by jl_ss

Anyone who owned the first few years of either knows that is simply not true.

Fortunately for me, Im too young to have experienced a 1972 Civic brand new as I was only 1, so I cant say first hand. But this is the first I've heard of any Honda having a bad introduction, let alone design quality issues.

Originally posted by jl_ss
Japans first attempts at vehicles had the same reputation that Korean mfgrs had in the beginning.

Again, I wasn't there, but I HIGHLY doubt T or H had the same rep. as Hyundais first years....


I dont mean to argue, My point is mainly that Hyundai SUCKED in their first years and cared ZERO about the people who had the faith in them to be their Guinea Pigs. Honda has allllllllways been good to me, my friends and family over the years.

[Gromulus]

Originally posted by 2muchfun
Fortunately for me, Im too young to have experienced a 1972 Civic brand new as I was only 1, so I cant say first hand. But this is the first I've heard of any Honda having a bad introduction, let alone design quality issues.

Obviously

[Tim]

I had a 70 Toyota Corolla Mark II station-wagon..........

about as reliable then as Hyundai is now..........

[Gromulus]

Working as an automobile supplier as well as an owner of many domestic and imort car brands, I can certainly vouch that early Honda and Toyota models were plagued with many mechanical and body-related problems.

But as many have indicated here, corrosion was a big problem for virtually ALL brands in the 70's. Advancements is steel, pre-treatment, electrocoating, and coating technology have improved greatly since that time.

Honda and Toyota did learn from their early mistakes and their quality improved over the years at a much greater rate than that of the domestics - and Europeans.

Sure early Hyundai and Kia models brought to the US had poor quality and reliability, but they are learning very fast. As an automotive supplier to both Toyota and Honda I can say that the Japanese are watching the Koreans very carefully. I know some poeple who work at the new Hyundai in Alabama and they are impressed. If anything, Hyundai is on a faster quality track then the Japanese were intheir early days supplying NA.

[jl_ss]

Originally posted by 2muchfun


I didn't exactly say 'highly reliable vehicles', but yes, that was what I infered. I said they should have 'done it right from the beginning like T and H'


Fortunately for me, Im too young to have experienced a 1972 Civic brand new as I was only 1, so I cant say first hand. But this is the first I've heard of any Honda having a bad introduction, let alone design quality issues.

Again, I wasn't there, but I HIGHLY doubt T or H had the same rep. as Hyundais first years....


I dont mean to argue, My point is mainly that Hyundai SUCKED in their first years and cared ZERO about the people who had the faith in them to be their Guinea Pigs. Honda has allllllllways been good to me, my friends and family over the years.

I'm not trying to argue either but some of us were there and as Gromulus stated, the Japenese Mfrs started out the same way as the Korean mfrs. I don't know why you think people "put their faith" in Hyundai. Smart Buyers would have weighed the factor that, in the beginning, Hyundai was inexperienced and the cars were extremely cheap, thus they were taking a big risk. Those factors alone that set off a big red flag in my mind and I never bought one in the 90's. Now they are proving that they have gained experience and climbed to the top of the reliability surveys. Now a Hyundai is much less of a risk. You can't make a point, then say you can't back it up because you weren't there.

As far as Honda's/Acuras go, I have only owned at least one since 1986. But I lived through the early years and had friends with early Hondas. Our 86 CRX came with all the rims out of round. Our 95 civic needed the rear windshield replaced becuase the rear defroster did not work from delivery. Honda engineering also used it to develop a fix for the muffler system that would loudly pop all the time, so Honda did use us as a guinea pig. Our 99 CRV needed the internal door lock hardware replaced by 60K for each door due to corrosion (and Honda would not reimburse me the $1K plus). We also had to lemon a 2003 MDX. The only perfect Honda I've had is a 95 Accord. Even the Pilot has the worst paint I've ever seen on a vehicle but it has been mechanically sound. At least we avoided the dreaded tranny problems. So all manufacturers have problems. The only other vehicle that has not given me problems is my 2004 Chevy Silverado.

[2muchfun]

I can see we could just go round and round here and Hyundai is not worth it to me. In other words, I cant debate at this level.

I'll just stick with Honda, which have been top-shelf benchmark vehicles for me, my family and friends for 19 years.

Another person may choose to buy a Hyundai and thats fine; to each his own. good luck.