Why many will NOT buy a Pilot - Honda Pilot

Pilot06 · 10-19-2005, 10:45 PM

The complaint I hear most often about the Pilot is that the middle seat does NOT fold Flat and Level.

I know that most Chevrolet SUV's seats fold Flat and Level. They do this by having the bottom of the seat pivot forward, then the seat folds down flat.

The 2nd complaint is that the radio has a "AUX" button that does nothing! (this is even on 2006 Pilots with factory XM radio).

waynerd · 10-19-2005, 10:50 PM

Oh yes, the seat that must fold flat to haul the bundle of plywood or drywall from House Depot that might happen once in a vehicle's lifetime.

I can see where it may come in handy for bikes, and such. I never really thought about it. I thought about all the time I'd wasted in the waiting area of the dealership getting my Exploder fixed.

As for the AUX

tangotango99 · 10-19-2005, 10:56 PM

I will go with No DVD/NAVI combo , weak HP and Low gear

ictvuser · 10-19-2005, 11:28 PM

The current price of gas.

Pilot06 · 10-19-2005, 11:59 PM

>>Oh yes, the seat that must fold flat to haul the bundle of plywood or drywall from House Depot that might happen once in a vehicle's lifetime.<<

I think many need a "fold flat" fairly often.

It seems to me that Honda could fix this by having the bottom of the seat flip forward.

All in all the Pilot is great. Can it not be better?

krygny · 10-20-2005, 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by Pilot06
The complaint I hear most often about the Pilot is that the middle seat does NOT fold Flat and Level.

I know that most Chevrolet SUV's seats fold Flat and Level.
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Why many will NOT buy a Chevy

The complaint I hear most often about Chevy SUVs is they are overpriced, underpowered, gas-sucking pieces of pig $hit that nobody wants unless GM sells them for cost.

But, at least the poor dumb bastard who buys one will get a middle seat that folds flat.

rockman19762001 · 10-20-2005, 12:58 AM

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Originally posted by krygny

Why many will NOT buy a Chevy

The complaint I hear most often about Chevy SUVs is they are overpriced, underpowered, gas-sucking pieces of pig $hit that nobody wants unless GM sells them for cost.

But, at least the poor dumb bastard who buys one will get a middle seat that folds flat.

Plus they will get to spend tremendous amount of cash on repair bills. From a former Trail Blazer owner you can not spend enough to keep it running after 50,000 miles but the middle seat does fold flat! GM broke me of the habit of buying a GM product again!

Edog · 10-20-2005, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pilot06
The complaint I hear most often about the Pilot is that the middle seat does NOT fold Flat and Level.

I know that most Chevrolet SUV's seats fold Flat and Level. They do this by having the bottom of the seat pivot forward, then the seat folds down flat.

The 2nd complaint is that the radio has a "AUX" button that does nothing! (this is even on 2006 Pilots with factory XM radio).

FYI. The AUX button DOES do something. If you have a Pilot with DVD RES, the Aux button switches the input to the Auxilary A/V Inputs in the rear.

As for the seats, I agree with the above post...you will rarely NEED the seats to go flat. If you do, do yourself a favor and buy a truck.

Pilot06 · 10-20-2005, 01:51 AM

It seems to me that Honda could fix this by having the bottom of the seat flip forward.

All in all the Pilot is great. Can it not be better?

jcantanixon · 10-20-2005, 01:55 AM

There's an echo in this thread.

jcantanixon · 10-20-2005, 01:55 AM

There's an echo in this thread.

**colorider** · 10-20-2005, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pilot06
It seems to me that Honda could fix this by having the bottom of the seat flip forward.

All in all the Pilot is great. Can it not be better?

I've read this somewhere before.

Oh yes - now I remember - right here in this thread!!!!

dragoncoach · 10-20-2005, 09:57 AM

If flat folding seats is the sole reason for NOT buying a Pilot, I think Honda did pretty well. I've hauled long items on rare instances and it really hasn't been a problem for me. The seat backs compress a little to make it flatter but it's not completely flat. I am very content with our Pilot. It does what I need it to do...carry up to eight in pretty good comfort, gets decent mileage, is available to carry large items on some occasions, is able to take the family to the snow, and it is reliable.

BillG · 10-20-2005, 10:20 AM

I've been shopping for awhile and the Pilot is my top pick SUV choice.

If I decide not to buy one, it won't have anything to do with the folding seats or AUX audio buting.

It will be for two reasons:

(1) Gas prices don't look like they will come back down anytime soon.

(2) For the $30k invoice price of an EX-L... there are a lot of other really interesting options out there. For example, you can buy a low mileage 2-3 year old Mercedes or BMW wagon for under $30k. There are also some great choices from Acura, Honda, Toyota, Lexus for sedans that will drive like a dream.

Heck... I could even buy a commuter car and a pretty nice truck.

Dunno.

jl_ss · 10-20-2005, 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by BillG
I've been shopping for awhile and the Pilot is my top pick SUV choice.

If I decide not to buy one, it won't have anything to do with the folding seats or AUX audio buting.

It will be for two reasons:

(1) Gas prices don't look like they will come back down anytime soon.

(2) For the $30k invoice price of an EX-L... there are a lot of other really interesting options out there. For example, you can buy a low mileage 2-3 year old Mercedes or BMW wagon for under $30k. There are also some great choices from Acura, Honda, Toyota, Lexus for sedans that will drive like a dream.

Heck... I could even buy a commuter car and a pretty nice truck.

Dunno.

But the reason you could buy a low mileage Merc or BMW is because the previous owners got sick of dealing with the problems and traded it.........

.

10-19-2005, 10:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
Pilot06 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why many will NOT buy a Pilot The complaint I hear most often about the Pilot is that the middle seat does NOT fold Flat and Level. I know that most Chevrolet SUV's seats fold Flat and Level. They do this by having the bottom of the seat pivot forward, then the seat folds down flat. The 2nd complaint is that the radio has a "AUX" button that does nothing! (this is even on 2006 Pilots with factory XM radio).

10-19-2005, 10:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
waynerd Pilotless Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 819 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Oh yes, the seat that must fold flat to haul the bundle of plywood or drywall from House Depot that might happen once in a vehicle's lifetime. I can see where it may come in handy for bikes, and such. I never really thought about it. I thought about all the time I'd wasted in the waiting area of the dealership getting my Exploder fixed. As for the AUX __________________ '06 Odyssey EX-L in Redrock Pearl = "Odie" '02 Subaru Outback Limited = "Matilda" Traded, but not forgotten '04 EX-L in Redrock Pearl = "Otto" Still "Happily Piloting Along"

10-19-2005, 10:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
tangotango99 Super Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Silver Spring, Md Posts: 1,389 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I will go with No DVD/NAVI combo , weak HP and Low gear __________________ 2004 SAGE BRUSH PEARL EXL,REAR SPLASHGUARDS,CARGO LINER,CARGO COVER,CARGO TRAY,CARGO ORG.,OEM WHEEL LOCKS, Delphi XM Radio,Nuvi 350,660 ,Garmin 2620,VIN 522044

10-19-2005, 11:28 PM	#4 (permalink)
ictvuser Super Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 452 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Re: Why many will NOT buy a Pilot The current price of gas. __________________ Honda Pilot 2004 EX-L SBP Rear backup sensors, 2004 Fender Flares, Chrome Bumper Garnish, Cross Bars Cargo Cover, Fog Lights, Cargo Bin, wwong's accessories

10-20-2005, 01:55 AM	#10 (permalink)
jcantanixon Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 915 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	There's an echo in this thread. __________________ Current: 2008 4WD EX-L NAV - OEM Tow Package - OEM Running Boards - Sirius conversion using OEM headunit and antenna - Vizualogic A-1250 Dual DVD Headrests - RGB converter for DVD on NAV screen - Hitch-Haul - Air Lift 1000 - USA-Spec PA15-HON2 - DEI 452T Auto Locks Old: 2005 EX-L NAV - Vizualogic headrests - RGB converter for DVD on NAV screen - DMP1 MP3 player - Sirius Starmate Replay - PIE X3 interface - OEM Tow Hitch & Trans Cooler - OEM Running Boards - Hella FF50s - Cross Terrains

10-19-2005, 11:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
Pilot06 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	>>Oh yes, the seat that must fold flat to haul the bundle of plywood or drywall from House Depot that might happen once in a vehicle's lifetime.<< I think many need a "fold flat" fairly often. It seems to me that Honda could fix this by having the bottom of the seat flip forward. All in all the Pilot is great. Can it not be better?

10-20-2005, 01:51 AM	#9 (permalink)
Pilot06 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It seems to me that Honda could fix this by having the bottom of the seat flip forward. All in all the Pilot is great. Can it not be better?

10-20-2005, 01:55 AM	#11 (permalink)
jcantanixon Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 915 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	There's an echo in this thread. __________________ Current: 2008 4WD EX-L NAV - OEM Tow Package - OEM Running Boards - Sirius conversion using OEM headunit and antenna - Vizualogic A-1250 Dual DVD Headrests - RGB converter for DVD on NAV screen - Hitch-Haul - Air Lift 1000 - USA-Spec PA15-HON2 - DEI 452T Auto Locks Old: 2005 EX-L NAV - Vizualogic headrests - RGB converter for DVD on NAV screen - DMP1 MP3 player - Sirius Starmate Replay - PIE X3 interface - OEM Tow Hitch & Trans Cooler - OEM Running Boards - Hella FF50s - Cross Terrains

10-20-2005, 09:57 AM	#13 (permalink)
dragoncoach Super Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Francisco, The City by the Bay Posts: 656 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If flat folding seats is the sole reason for NOT buying a Pilot, I think Honda did pretty well. I've hauled long items on rare instances and it really hasn't been a problem for me. The seat backs compress a little to make it flatter but it's not completely flat. I am very content with our Pilot. It does what I need it to do...carry up to eight in pretty good comfort, gets decent mileage, is available to carry large items on some occasions, is able to take the family to the snow, and it is reliable. __________________ '04 Sagebrush EX-L w/ Navi / Class III Valley Hitch / Mito self-dimming rearview mirror, Muth signal mirrors / upgraded door speakers / front set of Pilot Pads / full size spare / AVS hood deflector / MTX 404, 4 channel amp / rear cargo cover / '06 tail light upgrade, full LED interior light conversion. Gone to a new home but not forgotten. Sold to a good friend. '03 BMW M5, Carbon Black '04 Mercedes SL 500R, Silver '98 Honda Accord EX V-6, Nighthawk Black Pearl '05 Honda Accord EX V-6 w/ navi, Deep Green Pearl

10-20-2005, 10:20 AM	#14 (permalink)
BillG Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 137 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I've been shopping for awhile and the Pilot is my top pick SUV choice. If I decide not to buy one, it won't have anything to do with the folding seats or AUX audio buting. It will be for two reasons: (1) Gas prices don't look like they will come back down anytime soon. (2) For the $30k invoice price of an EX-L... there are a lot of other really interesting options out there. For example, you can buy a low mileage 2-3 year old Mercedes or BMW wagon for under $30k. There are also some great choices from Acura, Honda, Toyota, Lexus for sedans that will drive like a dream. Heck... I could even buy a commuter car and a pretty nice truck. Dunno.

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