Campaign Issues

[N_Jay]

So, without getting into which side anyone is on;
which campaign issues are really important and which are mostly distractions?
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To clarify (for those who seem to need such):
The following is nothing more than an example of an issue that I personally felt is being used as a distraction.
The point of this thread is NOT to discuss this example, nor to discuss what side of this (or any other) issue any particular person is on, but rather to discuss the general topic of both sides creating fairly unimportant distractions to the real issues, and by doing so start all of use thinking harder about the what the REAL issues are that we would all be best using to make our political decisions upon.

Note: If anyone feels this example is particularly inflammatory, partisan, or unfair, they are free to provide another example, which if I find brings out the point acceptably, will place here to replace this one.
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What made me think of this question was some reference to Obama being "for" and McCain being "against" "equal pay for equal work".

So besides the obvious: "How can McCain be 'against' equal pay for equal work?" (I assume it is either a distortion or out of context.)

My thoughts are;
1) How can anyone every actually determine "equal pay for equal work"?
and,
2) How can the government (especially the President) impact "equal pay for equal work"?

So in my mind the issue (as important as it may be) is mostly a distraction.
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So, what are the REAL issues?

[krygny]

There's one issue that's both important and a distraction:

Sarah Palin's ( . )( . )

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by krygny
There's one issue that's both important and a distraction:

Sarah Palin's ( . )( . )

Now we know how your state got stuck with Hillary! (and almost forced her on the rest of us!)

[krygny]

Originally posted by N_Jay


Now we know how your state got stuck with Hillary! (and almost forced her on the rest of us!)

Aw c'mon - it was funny. Or are you drawing a comparison between Palin and Hillary?

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by krygny

Aw c'mon - it was funny. Or are you drawing a comparison between Palin and Hillary?

No, I am just making reference to the "Deep Thinkers" who put her into office.

[krygny]

Originally posted by N_Jay


No, I am just making reference to the "Deep Thinkers" who put her into office.

Well, we got something here and it's plenty deep, but it isn't "thought". Besides, your guy won anyway so, the cream has risen to the top.

[robrecht]

Originally posted by N_Jay
So, without getting into which side anyone is on;
which campaign issues are really important and which are mostly distractions?

What made me think of this question was some reference to Obama being "for" and McCain being "against" "equal pay for equal work".

So besides the obvious: "How can McCain be 'against' equal pay for equal work?" (I assume it is either a distortion or out of context.)

My thoughts are;
1) How can anyone every actually determine "equal pay for equal work"?
and,
2) How can the government (especially the President) impact "equal pay for equal work"?

So in my mind the issue (as important as it may be) is mostly a distraction.

So, what are the REAL issues?

I think you're missing the point of the soon to be voted on Paycheck Fairness Act. S. 766 in the Senate (H.R. 1338 passed in the House with the support of 14 Republicans). You really don't realize that presidents and presidential candidates have legislative agendas or that presidents are responsible for signing or vetoing laws passed by Congress? There's also cases that come before the Supreme Court that directly address this issue, and presidents nominate supreme court justices.

More importantly, aren't partisan political threads not allowed here? If you are in fact not trying to engage in partisan political discussion, I suggest you delete the section of your first post that distorts the issue of equal work for equal pay. I doubt that would fully address the issue, but it might help demonstrate your sincerity.

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by robrecht
I think you're missing the point of the soon to be voted on Paycheck Fairness Act. S. 766 in the Senate (H.R. 1338 passed in the House with the support of 14 Republicans). You really don't realize that presidents and presidential candidates have legislative agendas or that presidents are responsible for signing or vetoing laws passed by Congress? There's also cases that come before the Supreme Court that directly address this issue, and presidents nominate supreme court justices.

More importantly, aren't partisan political threads not allowed here? If you are in fact not trying to engage in partisan political discussion, I suggest you delete the section of your first post that distorts the issue of equal work for equal pay. I doubt that would fully address the issue, but it might help demonstrate your sincerity.

I think you demonstrated my point exactly.

So he is expected to vote against the "Paycheck Fairness Act. S. 766", and that has been translated into "McCain is 'against' equal pay for equal work".

I would hazard a guess that the bill had a whole lot more in it, and if that ONE provision was somehow broken out, would he be against it?

But thinking one layer deeper, how would you write a bill that does exactly and only that? How would you measure it? How would you enforce it? (without ending up with a government pay scale system).
AND, is that what his opponents are for?

Now, putting that issue aside (unless you believe it is a "defining " issue for lots of people.)

What issues (or other issues) do you think are the ones we should be deciding on, and have the campaigns used them, or have the campaigns focused primarily on creating distractions?

P.S. I edited the original post for clarity.

[rocky]

[robrecht]

Originally posted by N_Jay


I think you demonstrated my point exactly.

So he is expected to vote against the "Paycheck Fairness Act. S. 766", and that has been translated into "McCain is 'against' equal pay for equal work".

I would hazard a guess that the bill had a whole lot more in it, and if that ONE provision was somehow broken out, would he be against it?

But thinking one layer deeper, how would you write a bill that does exactly and only that? How would you measure it? How would you enforce it? (without ending up with a government pay scale system).
AND, is that what his opponents are for?

Now, putting that issue aside (unless you believe it is a "defining " issue for lots of people.)

What issues (or other issues) do you think are the ones we should be deciding on, and have the campaigns used them, or have the campaigns focused primarily on creating distractions?

P.S. I edited the original post for clarity.

Your edits, guesses, questions, and attempts at clarity have not yet demonstrated to me that you are indeed not trying to engage in partisan political argument so I'll respectfully decline.

[robrecht]

Originally posted by krygny

Aw c'mon - it was funny.

Yes, it was very funny.

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by robrecht
Your edits, guesses, questions, and attempts at clarity have not yet demonstrated to me that you are indeed not trying to engage in partisan political argument so I'll respectfully decline.

Maybe you can phrase the question better?

Or

Maybe you don't feel it is an issue to be discussed?

Or

Maybe you don't feel you can discuss it in a non-partisan manner (and transfer the feeling onto others)?

I did find it interesting, that rather then decline initially, you took the time to comment on the example without commenting on the actual topic, only to later decline discussing the topic at all.
(Makes me wonder . . . . .)

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by robrecht
Yes, it was very funny.

Yes, I agree it was funny.

Almost as funny as NY electing Hillary.

[robrecht]

Originally posted by N_Jay


Maybe you can phrase the question better?

Or

Maybe you don't feel it is an issue to be discussed?

Or

Maybe you don't feel you can discuss it in a non-partisan manner (and transfer the feeling onto others)?

I did find it interesting, that rather then decline initially, you took the time to comment on the example without commenting on the actual topic, only to later decline discussing the topic at all.
(Makes me wonder . . . . .)

Your initial question probably cannot be discussed here without injecting partisan politics into the discussion. I only tried to help you understand that the Paycheck Fairness Act. S. 766 is indeed a real campaign issue, not a distraction as you want to label it.

[robrecht]

Originally posted by N_Jay
Almost as funny as NY electing Hillary.

See what I mean.