Don Williams latest thread-drift

[stmc378]

Originally posted by Don Willems
I know you guys are going to yell at me again, but the truth is the GMC Acaida gets the best gas milage of any 8 passenger car.

Sorry, I know you don't like to hear that - but its the truth.

Thank you for my first chuckle of the day Don...is it about the Acadia's milage, nope, I think that's fine, and more power to GM for developing a seemingly good engine. Is it about your persistent postings about GMC on a Honda Pilot Community, nope.

It's the fact that you manage to misspell the name of the vehicle that you so proudly promote. Nice work.

Is the Acaida that big flying bug that comes around every 17 years or so?

-S-

[Don Willems]

Someday you guys will think outside the box and realize that American Cars are not only better for our economy but just as good if not better quality.

[Don Willems]

Originally posted by N_Jay


Yes, but it is still a GM!


Am I biased against GM? Yes!
Have they earned it? In my opinion, Yes!
Trust can be broken in a second and takes a long time to re-earn.
GM has been earning a lack of trust for over 30 years.
It is a LONG road back.

(and I don't even know if the Acaida is a step in the right direction.)

What brand of cars has "Earned the Trust" of most Japanese car buyers? It’s not Honda or Toyota.

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by Don Willems
Someday you guys will think outside the box and realize that American Cars are not only better for our economy . . .

This is an arguable point.

Originally posted by Don Willems
.. . . . but just as good if not better quality.

This will be easy to prove, (once it is true).

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by Don Willems


What brand of cars has "Earned the Trust" of most Japanese car buyers? It’s not Honda or Toyota.

HU??????

Both Honda and Toyota have earned my trust many times over.

GM has done much to loose my trust on many occasions.

[Don Willems]

All kidding aside you guys, if Honda and Toyota are such good cars with such trusted reliability, why don’t they sell that good in Japan?

What do they know that we don't?

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by Don Willems
All kidding aside you guys, if Honda and Toyota are such good cars with such trusted reliability, why don’t they sell that good in Japan?

What do they know that we don't?

I think they do sell well there (do you have other information?), but they also have a very different set of competitive companies there.

[e2e]

Originally posted by Don Willems
All kidding aside you guys, if Honda and Toyota are such good cars with such trusted reliability, why don’t they sell that good in Japan?

What do they know that we don't?

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water....

Don, your statement and question is ludicrous.

The top 4 selling cars in Japan are:

1.Toyota Corolla (for 8 straight months)
2. Toyota Vitz
3. Honda Fit
4. Toyota Passo

http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/408596

[N_Jay]

Originally posted by e2e


Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water....

Don, your statement and question is ludicrous.

The top 4 selling cars in Japan are:

1.Toyota Corolla (for 8 straight months)
2. Toyota Vitz
3. Honda Fit
4. Toyota Passo

http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/408596

How far down the list to find a GM????

[Sportymonk]

Originally posted by Don Willems
Someday you guys will think outside the box and realize that American Cars are not only better for our economy but just as good if not better quality.

How are American cars better for the economy? Good old American pickups are built in Mexico. Toyota's and Honda have many models made in the US where they produce jobs and local parts orders etc. Oh, wait a minute! you meant Volvo, Jaguar, Saab, and the like that are owned overseas but the money flows back to the US.

Better quality?? So how come my 2001 Impala LS with no damage and about 70K miles stickered for $24,000 and was offered between $4500 and $5100 for trade in (took the $5100 from CarMax). Oh yeah, right before I got rid of it the rear door handle broke. And then there was the radio/CD system that failed. and a ton of other warranty items.

And my wife's 2000 Malibu LS that had the pistons fail and had to be replaced at 21,000 miles now that's quality! And the A/C system that wouldn't stay on recirculate to help with my wife's allergies. Kept going to fresh air form outside. Dealer fixed it three times. Fourth time they said GM issued a bulletin saying that was "normal" and they shouldn't have fixed it last time.

Oh yeah, and my daughter's Cavalier that kept dying the las summer we had it and was fixed approximately 12 times and sometimes didn't make it home that day.

Let's see now, my daughter now has a 2000 Civic in 02 with 27,000 miles and now has 93,000 miles on it with no problems. She swears she will keep it forever. She loves it.

My wife now has a 05 Civic we bought to replace the Malibu. Bought at 22,000 miles and now has 38,000 miles. She keeps saying,"Be careful, I want to keep my car". She loves it and loves the way it drives.

I have a Honda Pilot, bought new in June 05 and now have 38,000 trouble free miles.

If the proof is in the pudding, my family all lived with GM and none of us would go back again. For years we listended to GM and Ford say "But THIS TIME is different. This time Quality is Job 1" or some such. And each time was worse than the last.

GM and Ford will have to prove they mean business by someday building a quality product and then proving it by the test of time. I will wait and watch but in the mean time, I will stick with Honda and Toyota, and maybe Hyundai.

What brand of cars has "Earned the Trust" of most Japanese car buyers? It’s not Honda or Toyota.

Oh yes they are!

[sjlee]

Originally posted by Don Willems
Someday you guys will think outside the box and realize that American Cars are not only better for our economy but just as good if not better quality.

"Better for our economy"? Honda and Toyota both have plants in the US and employ (tens of) thousands of Americans.

How do you define "quality"? Fit and finish? Short-term or long-term reliability?

I have yet to see any source (US or abroad) that shows that long-term reliability of "American" cars matches that of Honda or Toyota. Heck, even JD Power ranks the "Overall Quality" of Honda and Toyota higher than GMC.

I would have no problems purchasing an "American" car. Even if I were to ignore the reliability rankings, I have yet to see one that appeals to me as an everyday vehicle. Maybe when it is time for me to replace my Integra, there'll be something on the market.

[switch]

Originally posted by N_Jay


$9 a what in 1979?

Hour.

Originally posted by N_Jay


How far down the list to find a GM????

:lol:


The top 3 sellers in Japan are Toyota, Nissan, and Honda.

[ben916]

I find it rather ironic that someone is complaining (yes that is what it is) about mileage when the same person lists in their HondaPilot.org signature these other vehicles:

2006 MBZ CLS55 - the most beautiful Mercedes Benz ever made.
2006 Corvette Z06 - LeMans Blue, the fastest color.

Sell either one or both and then there will be plenty of $$$$$ for fuel. OR convert it to propane...

Too bad Honda doesn't make a diesel...

[switch]

Originally posted by sjlee
I have yet to see any source (US or abroad) that shows that long-term reliability of "American" cars matches that of Honda or Toyota. Heck, even JD Power ranks the "Overall Quality" of Honda and Toyota higher than GMC.

The overall quality isn't just "higher", it is a lot higher.

Unfortunately for fuel consumption, as engines are designed to be more efficient, vehicles become heavier. The reasons for the increase in weight isn't just features that the manufacturer would like to add. A lot of the weight comes from imposed safety features.

If you took a 1984 Civic and put in today's i-CTDI engine in it and the vehicle would get great mileage while spewing out much fewer emissions per KM.

[ben916]

Originally posted by ben916
I find it rather ironic that someone is complaining (yes that is what it is) about mileage when the same person lists in their HondaPilot.org signature these other vehicles:

2006 MBZ CLS55 - the most beautiful Mercedes Benz ever made.
2006 Corvette Z06 - LeMans Blue, the fastest color.

Sell either one or both and then there will be plenty of $$$$$ for fuel. OR convert it to propane...

Too bad Honda doesn't make a diesel...

Ok I was a little greed on the reply, sorry about that...