Interesting Ethanol Info - Honda Pilot

N_Jay · 03-25-2007, 12:15 PM

LINK HERE

krygny · 03-26-2007, 07:03 AM

http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/18304/

N_Jay · 03-26-2007, 07:48 AM

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Originally posted by krygny
http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/18304/

Now there is an innovative use for ethanol.

Maybe the ultimate engine is dual-direct-inject(TM), with direct inject fuel and direct inject ethanol cooling, each timed and for maximum fuel efficiency. (Maybe I should have accepted that offer to go to MIT?)

krygny · 03-26-2007, 01:05 PM

I'm somewhat skeptical, from an economic standpoint, about ethanol from corn on a large scale (i.e., everyone using E85). Where's all this corn supposed to come from? Most of the beef raised in the US are raised on corn (at least the last few months of their short-@$$-lives). Have you seen the price of beef the past few year's? Wanna see it quadruple again? Poultry and pork too, and who knows what else in the food supply, as a result of diverting the supply toward energy production. Sure, the farmers love the idea but they couldn't possibly meet demand. Instead of importing oil from a bunch of terrorists, we'll be importing corn from a bunch of communists.

The MIT thing seems like a fairly simple incremental solution, based on proven technologies, that could be economically viable for several decades.

N_Jay · 03-26-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by krygny
I'm somewhat skeptical, from an economic standpoint, about ethanol from corn on a large scale . . . . .

Well "somewhat sceptical" but you way more convinced that I am!

rockman19762001 · 03-26-2007, 03:55 PM

It will be interesting to see how much ethanol is imported from Brazil in the coming years. Brazil makes ethanol from sugarcane and switch grass.

N_Jay · 03-26-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by rockman19762001
It will be interesting to see how much ethanol is imported from Brazil in the coming years. Brazil makes ethanol from sugarcane and switch grass.

And they use all they make and it is subsidized.

rocky · 03-26-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by krygny
http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/18304/

There is nothing new at all in that article. Saab's been turbocharging for decades. Bentley Supercharged vehicles in the 1920s to win Le Mans.

Even Honda is becoming a Turbo fan with the RDX.

Diesels the world over run on Turbos and direct injection as well.

Summary: yawn

sjlee · 03-26-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by rocky

There is nothing new at all in that article. Saab's been turbocharging for decades. Bentley Supercharged vehicles in the 1920s to win Le Mans.

Even Honda is becoming a Turbo fan with the RDX.

Diesels the world over run on Turbos and direct injection as well.

Summary: yawn

I think the "new" part of the article is the combination of ethanol with turbochargers.

tangotango99 · 03-26-2007, 10:23 PM

Ethanol performance in cold weather is suspect and it will not solve our decency on foreign oil.

krygny · 04-02-2007, 06:54 PM

http://science.slashdot.org/article..../04/02/2144205

03-25-2007, 12:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
N_Jay Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chicago, NW Burbs Posts: 13,553 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Interesting Ethanol Info LINK HERE __________________ However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. Sir Winston Churchill

03-26-2007, 07:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
krygny Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NY Panhandle(c) Posts: 2,831 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	More interesting ethanol info http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/18304/ __________________ 2003 EX-L, Sage Brush Pearl Side Steps • Rear Splash Guards • Cross Bars • Cargo Tray • Cargo Cover • All-Season Floor Mats • StreetPilot ColorMap • WeatherTech WeatherFlectors • Fortera TripleTreds

03-26-2007, 01:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
krygny Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NY Panhandle(c) Posts: 2,831 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm somewhat skeptical, from an economic standpoint, about ethanol from corn on a large scale (i.e., everyone using E85). Where's all this corn supposed to come from? Most of the beef raised in the US are raised on corn (at least the last few months of their short-@$$-lives). Have you seen the price of beef the past few year's? Wanna see it quadruple again? Poultry and pork too, and who knows what else in the food supply, as a result of diverting the supply toward energy production. Sure, the farmers love the idea but they couldn't possibly meet demand. Instead of importing oil from a bunch of terrorists, we'll be importing corn from a bunch of communists. The MIT thing seems like a fairly simple incremental solution, based on proven technologies, that could be economically viable for several decades. __________________ 2003 EX-L, Sage Brush Pearl Side Steps • Rear Splash Guards • Cross Bars • Cargo Tray • Cargo Cover • All-Season Floor Mats • StreetPilot ColorMap • WeatherTech WeatherFlectors • Fortera TripleTreds

03-26-2007, 03:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
rockman19762001 Super Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Midland, Texas Posts: 686 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It will be interesting to see how much ethanol is imported from Brazil in the coming years. Brazil makes ethanol from sugarcane and switch grass. __________________ The greatest strength is gentleness.

03-26-2007, 10:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
tangotango99 Super Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Silver Spring, Md Posts: 1,408 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ethanol performance in cold weather is suspect and it will not solve our decency on foreign oil. __________________ 2004 SAGE BRUSH PEARL EXL,REAR SPLASHGUARDS,CARGO LINER,CARGO COVER,CARGO TRAY,CARGO ORG.,OEM WHEEL LOCKS, Delphi XM Radio,Nuvi 350,660 ,Garmin 2620,VIN 522044

04-02-2007, 06:54 PM	#11 (permalink)
krygny Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NY Panhandle(c) Posts: 2,831 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What?!! No Free Lunch? http://science.slashdot.org/article..../04/02/2144205 __________________ 2003 EX-L, Sage Brush Pearl Side Steps • Rear Splash Guards • Cross Bars • Cargo Tray • Cargo Cover • All-Season Floor Mats • StreetPilot ColorMap • WeatherTech WeatherFlectors • Fortera TripleTreds

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