anotomy of a black hole - Honda Pilot

humanoid · 02-13-2007, 03:22 AM

some of you may enjoy this...

http://www.thinktechnologies.com/por.../Blackhole.swf

rocky · 02-13-2007, 04:43 AM

Thanks, I didn't know that

tim.s · 02-13-2007, 06:38 AM

When I saw the title of this thread, I expected it to be about that gap between the driver's seat and the center console.

That gap may not have an accretion disk, but it's capable of pulling in massive amounts of material (coins, pens, phones, etc...).

robrecht · 02-13-2007, 07:54 AM

I never understood why light, if it has no mass, is affected by gravitational forces within and around a black hole. Therefore I started to believe that either light does have mass, ie, even infinitesmally small photons, like electrons, did weigh something or that gravitational force was somehow unified with subatomic forces & light energy. Then I got interested in girls.

Bill Balmer · 02-13-2007, 10:37 AM

robrecht, I KNEW we were kindred spirits!

I've long had some of the same questions about the mass (or lack thereof) of photons and gravity - that was the one point made in Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" that didn't seem to make sense. I also disagree with the point in the demonstration about the ship appearing to stop before entering the black hole. I believe it would red shift and fade from sight.

robrecht · 02-13-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by Bill Balmer
robrecht, I KNEW we were kindred spirits! I've long had some of the same questions about the mass (or lack thereof) of photons and gravity - that was the one point made in Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" that didn't seem to make sense. I also disagree with the point in the demonstration about the ship appearing to stop before entering the black hole. I believe it would red shift and fade from sight.

Asked one of my scientist colleagues this morning and he tried to explain it away in terms of gravity actually bending space (& time) but I think that still sort of begs the question. My theories usually make more sense after a couple of glasses of wine!

N_Jay · 02-13-2007, 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by robrecht
. . My theories usually make more sense after a couple of glasses of wine!

So do your politics!

(Relax, its a joke)

Bill Balmer · 02-13-2007, 04:22 PM

I knew it wouldn't be long before N_Jay stuck his two cents in to another discussion of something he doesn't understand!

Relax - so was that!

N_Jay · 02-13-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Bill Balmer
robrecht, I KNEW we were kindred spirits! . . .

That would explain much.

N_Jay · 02-13-2007, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by robrecht
. . . . Then I got interested in girls.

Good man, because if not you end up like this.

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Originally posted by Bill Balmer
I've long had some of the same questions about the mass (or lack thereof) of photons and gravity - that was the one point made in Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" that didn't seem to make sense. I also disagree with the point in the demonstration about the ship appearing to stop before entering the black hole. I believe it would red shift and fade from sight.

There are several things I disagree with the web developers flash demo, but I know I don't know astrophysics and subatomic particle dynamics well enough to espouse on the topic.

I think I would look to science sites for my science information.

rocky · 02-13-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by Bill Balmer
I knew it wouldn't be long before N_Jay stuck his two cents in to another discussion of something he doesn't understand!

Relax - so was that!

Sometimes I wonder if N_jay posts just to exceed 10,000.

robrecht · 02-13-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by N_Jay

So do your politics!

(Relax, its a joke)

Humor is certainly better than lame attempts at insults, so good job, N_Jay! It's quite true that I never engage in partisan political discussions unless my liberal Democrat older brother is pouring the bourbon freely and we decide to gang up on my reactionary Republican younger brother. He doesn't drink, the poor guy.

robrecht · 02-13-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Bill Balmer
I knew it wouldn't be long before N_Jay stuck his two cents in to another discussion of something he doesn't understand!

It's not that he doesn't understand, Bill, it's just that his opinions are based on masculine reason and homophobic FACTS, whereas yours are based on emotionalism and girly feelings. When will you finally acknowledge this?

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Good man, because if not you end up like this.

Bill, do you think N_Jay is trying to imply that you're gay??? I think he also tried to imply that I was gay once because I was drinking Chardonnay at the time. We're in good company, even if we're not fulfilling N_Jay's romantic fantasies!

Bill Balmer · 02-14-2007, 09:54 AM

Not that there's anything wrong with that - except from my wife's perspective!

N_Jay · 02-14-2007, 10:30 AM

Got to wonder about two guys who get into a "Gay" discussion in a "Black Hole" thread!

02-13-2007, 03:22 AM	#1 (permalink)
humanoid Super Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sunny SoCal Posts: 2,970 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	anatomy of a black hole some of you may enjoy this... http://www.thinktechnologies.com/por.../Blackhole.swf __________________ 2005 EX-L Sage Brush Pearl -->OEM Running Boards, OEM rear mud guards, OEM crossbars, AVS bug deflector, 5000K HIDs, OEM Accord EX emblem, full sized spare, Hella FF 75 driving lamps, Nifty CatchAll Mats <------------ click here first, n0oB!!!

02-13-2007, 06:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
tim.s Super Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: US Posts: 2,564 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	When I saw the title of this thread, I expected it to be about that gap between the driver's seat and the center console. That gap may not have an accretion disk, but it's capable of pulling in massive amounts of material (coins, pens, phones, etc...). __________________ Hands free device = good Not buckling your kids = bad '06 Black EXL-Navi: autodim mirror, many cargo accessories, mud guards, ODB II, and wwong's console pads. '06 Black Volvo XC90 2.5T '03 Black EXL-RES: side steps, autodim mirror, many cargo accessories, roof rack, and mud guards. --> traded in '06 for XC90

02-13-2007, 07:54 AM	#4 (permalink)
robrecht Super Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: East Amwell, New Jersey Posts: 4,141 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I never understood why light, if it has no mass, is affected by gravitational forces within and around a black hole. Therefore I started to believe that either light does have mass, ie, even infinitesmally small photons, like electrons, did weigh something or that gravitational force was somehow unified with subatomic forces & light energy. Then I got interested in girls. __________________ Thanks, Robrecht! Charcoalishlygreenishbluishyrealpink&tealfleck metallic EXL-RES with Rumble Seat, Foglights, Chrome Bumper Garnish (of course!), and Merrywang Transport Netting. And an RX-8 or Miata for my twice daily hill climb.

02-13-2007, 10:37 AM	#5 (permalink)
Bill Balmer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: On the Edge Posts: 767 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	robrecht, I KNEW we were kindred spirits! I've long had some of the same questions about the mass (or lack thereof) of photons and gravity - that was the one point made in Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" that didn't seem to make sense. I also disagree with the point in the demonstration about the ship appearing to stop before entering the black hole. I believe it would red shift and fade from sight. __________________ '03 Silver Pilot EX '93 Mercedes Benz 500E

02-13-2007, 04:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
Bill Balmer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: On the Edge Posts: 767 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I knew it wouldn't be long before N_Jay stuck his two cents in to another discussion of something he doesn't understand! Relax - so was that! __________________ '03 Silver Pilot EX '93 Mercedes Benz 500E

02-13-2007, 04:43 AM	#2 (permalink)
rocky Super Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 7,175 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thanks, I didn't know that

02-14-2007, 09:54 AM	#14 (permalink)
Bill Balmer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: On the Edge Posts: 767 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Not that there's anything wrong with that - except from my wife's perspective! __________________ '03 Silver Pilot EX '93 Mercedes Benz 500E

02-14-2007, 10:30 AM	#15 (permalink)
N_Jay Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chicago, NW Burbs Posts: 13,553 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Got to wonder about two guys who get into a "Gay" discussion in a "Black Hole" thread! __________________ However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. Sir Winston Churchill

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