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Old 04-09-2012, 03:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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A couple of years ago I heard that Honda was going to put a diesel engine into a Pilot. Has anyone heard that they are still looking at this?
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Last I heard they canceled the diesel development due to a tightening of diesel emissions standards in the US.
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Last I heard they canceled the diesel development due to a tightening of diesel emissions standards in the US.
Combining the roominess of the Pilot with the diesels in VW's would be killer!
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Yep!!

My next vehicle may be an Mercedes ML or GL just to get a diesel.
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Institutionally, Honda is not a believer in diesels. The diesel four cylinder sold in other parts of the world was designed from the bottom up by the firm's chief engine designer because he dislikes diesels and wanted to make one to his standards, particularly with respect to emissions.

The problem with larger diesels of sufficient size to power the Pilot is that they require extensive emissions equipment, equipment that will likely need to be replaced and that will be costly. Thus while a lot of the European manufacturers have embraced diesel because fuel is so expensive over there, here it still does not make sense from a cost perspective, and adds a lot of potential expense during the 75k to 125k mile period of a car's service life.
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MB Diesels are known to have much longer service lives then gas engines, and if you tow a diesel has great fuel economy advantages.

The Honda diesel 4cyl has received great reviews.

Additionally, we may "finally" be getting to the end of cheap gasoline here.
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I don't see Honda producing a V6 diesel for the Odyssey, Pilot, Ridgeline. The economics of engine development mean that hundreds of thousands of units need to be built every year and that is simply not going to happen in the US market. The demand is not there.

The best to hope for is that Honda buys another manufacturer's diesel to install in those vehicles. VW/Audi/MB all have great V6 diesels ready to go.

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Maybe Honda needs to partner with a light truck Mfg, and share the costs.

Either that or build an engine to sell in the OEM market like they do with their small engines.

I think there is too much culture around Honda's engines being what makes a Honda, a HONDA, to put in another companies engine.

Maybe after all the hydrogen and fuel cell silliness fades away, we will come to the realization that high efficiency diesels run on natural, bio, and/or synthetic liquid hydrocarbon fuels really do make the most sense for transportation.
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Reuters in 2010:


http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/07/15/retire-us-honda-idUSTRE66E04M20100715


REUTERS reports that Honda has canceled plans to build a new minicar and diesel engine plant north of Tokyo, as the company focuses its product offerings ahead of worldwide emissions standards ramp-ups. Honda’s move away from diesel has been slowly building for years, and the strategy was all but confirmed by the cancellation of a US-market Acura TSX diesel, which was replaced by the V6 TSX. Instead of developing new oil-burners, Honda is focusing on a new hybrid drivetrain capable of powering its larger vehicles. Thus far Honda has kept a conservative approach to hybrids, refining its “mild hybrid” IMA system over several generations. As Honda seeks to improve its fleetwide emissions, this new system (which could be Honda’s first “full hybrid”) has taken on new importance. Honda will officially announce its medium-range plans next Tuesday… and don’t be surprised if it involves a new full hybrid system capable of going toe-to-toe with Toyota’s Synergy Drive.
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On a side note just to add some comedy...i saw a sign on a diesel truck saying... 'I would rather be cummins than stroking'... to funny...sorry for thread jacking..lol get it thread jacking..lolol..
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