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Old 08-11-2011, 11:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Last weekend, I decided to do oil change for my 05 Pilot after a long time having it done a local Wal-mart. So I drained the old oil and took out the old oil filter. I noticed there was no rubber ring on the old filter. Considering how low the quality of products from Wal-mart, I thought the old oil filter didn’t come with the ring. (yeah ). So I went ahead and put on the new oil filter without knowing that old rubber ring still stuck in the that place. I hand-tightened the new oil filter, filled up the new oil, started the engine, and re-parked the SUV back to my garage. I got out of the SUV, looked down and saw oil everywhere on the floor.
Apparently the old rubber ring prevented the new oil filter to fit tightly into the engine which allows oil to leak out. I have done so many oil changes in the past. I guess I was overconfident and I didn’t perform all the necessary steps.
Does anyone know whether I had damaged the engine? There was about 1 quart of oil left in the engine. And it took about 2 minutes to re-park the SUV back to the garage.
As far as I can tell, the engine runs as smoothly as before but I’m no expert.
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Old 08-11-2011, 11:48 AM   #2 (permalink)
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just drain and refill and dont restart till there is an adequate amount on the dipstick, you should be fine I wouldn't worry too much you aren't going to seize your engine. Btw get a new filter too. I've been taking my pilot to the dealer recently for oil changes. $19.95 can't beat it. I can't buy a wix filter and oil and change it for that amount. I don't see any reason to change my oil in my garage too much of a hassle

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Likely no damage at all, or imperceptibly little. The worst the engine experienced was essentially an extended cold start, relying on the existing oil film on the moving components to keep them lubricated. Depending on how much oil was making it past the leaky filter mount, it's quite possible it wasn't actually any starvation at all and you caught the problem before the pump pickup started sucking air. Either way, I don't believe you have much to worry about, not that worrying at this point will do you any good anyway

A good reminder for the rest of us, make sure all the o-rings and gaskets are accounted for, every time.
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Old 08-11-2011, 12:25 PM   #4 (permalink)
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BTDT about 30 years ago. Engine lived happily without any problems.
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If there were no warning lights, then the oil pressure likely never fell low enough to do any damage. Since it started fine, I wouldn't worry.
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I had only heard of these problems with CRV's and Accord's. I thought it was something with the design of the connection. Now I wonder if it is the Honda/Fram filters that lose their gasket?
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It's common for the gasket to pull out of the filter. It's even in the OEM shop instructions to check to see if the filter left the gasket behind. I've noticed the gasket pulls out a lot when removing Mobil1 M1-110 filter. These filters have a square face so it's got a lot of contact area with the gasket mating surface. When I use the M1-104, I never have this problem. This filter has a rounded gasket face.
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The gaskets in general can come loose or stay onto the engine when you take off the filter. I always take a rag and clean away the area just to be sure. Certainly you should always put lube on the new filter ring as well.

I say put a new filter on, more oil as necessary and see how it is.
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as youve probably figured out by now, you have not done any damage to your engine.

I was a mobil oil change technician when I was younger and did exactly what you did, but in a crowded rental car parking lot and spilled 6 qts of oil onto wet asphalt and spent all day cleaning it up! Lesson learned ALWAYS check the filter adaptor and make sure you have a clean surface to install the new filter.

Usually a filter gasket sticks to the adapter due to failure to oil seal before installing and/or overtorquing the filter.

My favorite filters to use are: Wix, Napa Gold, K&N, OEM Honda
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Most everyone has done this in the process of learning how to change their own oil. Always check the filter mating surface after removing the old filter to be sure the seal is not still stuck there. Also, always put a little fresh oil on the new oil filter seal and threads before reinstalling. This will keep the seal from sticking upon removal- I would bet that the Walmart technician failed to do this.
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The basic to all those who going to diy oil change.

Have a rag ready to clean any oil drip on oil pan and clean the filter installing location, apply light lubicate of fresh oil on the new filter's O-ring before install installing the new filter. By following these step you can't mess up! It's very acceptable for this issue to happen on older car where the filter up in a tight spot facing the fire wall. It's tough to peak the filter mounting location vs the current redesign today the filter can easily access and 100% visible! So it really hard that you missed the old o-ring still stuck on it when installing the new filter.

Lastly, the motor shouldn't have any damage yet.
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Been years since I changed my own oil. Cheaper to go to the dealer and they wash the car...
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"Cheaper to go to the dealer and they wash the car..."

How much are you paying?
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