Honda Mechs get their wings - Honda Pilot

hondaman2 · 08-13-2004, 01:45 PM

New fighter pilot technology turns Honda techs into pseudo cyborgs.

I realy cant be sure I would want to be strapped into a computer to work on cars especially with the potential to break it while I am working on something. Not to mention the new bulk and weight plus the stupid headset that I will be bumping getting in the way of my work or smashing it into stuff when I bang my head on the exhaust or something. Or get it all greasy.

Next thing you know they will make us wear helmets like in Blue Thunder or in in the Apache and Comanche Army helicopters.

Its not a bad idea but I think it needs to be more mechanic friendly.

http://www.dclab.com/nomad_honda.asp

jay · 08-13-2004, 01:58 PM

So if the system gets perfected, rolled out, and repair time is reduced 37-70%, will we see that reduction reflected in the mechanics labor guide? Not! We'll still be charged for 5.7 hours for a repair that actually takes 3 hours that can now be done in 1.9 hours.

ramirami · 08-13-2004, 02:14 PM

...though the hourly rate would probably go up....since its "computerised" now

osteome · 08-13-2004, 03:18 PM

You do have to keep mind the fact the the actual mechnaic gets only a fraction of the hourly rate charged (otherwise, I am in the wrong business). The rest goes into stealership "overhead".

sfdude · 08-16-2004, 10:05 PM

I have worked in the auto repair business for several years in management. I can shed some light on labor rates:

Labor rates were decades ago, exactly what they seem to be: how long it takes to perfrom a specific repair. Technology, has forced it to evolve. Several things now go into to determing a labor rate. It no longer represents(in general) actual repair times. It is a way to factor the "value" of a repair, based on:

1. The skill level of technician required to perform the repair. Highly skilled techs cost more, and their time is very valuable.

2. Some jobs require more than one technician to complete a repair.

3. Equipment: Many repairs and diagnostics today require highly specialized and insanely costly tools and equipment.

Example: A simple brake pad replacement may take a tech 45 minutes, with a labor rate of one hour. An emissions repair may take one hour, yet be "valued" at 3 hours, when the master tech, and special equipment is calculated.

The shops actual hourly rate really determines what you pay. And these rates are going no where but up, unfortunatley. The costs of operating a shop today is utterly mind boggling.

Chad

08-13-2004, 01:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
hondaman2 Superior Honda Tech Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 323 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Honda Mechs get their wings New fighter pilot technology turns Honda techs into pseudo cyborgs. I realy cant be sure I would want to be strapped into a computer to work on cars especially with the potential to break it while I am working on something. Not to mention the new bulk and weight plus the stupid headset that I will be bumping getting in the way of my work or smashing it into stuff when I bang my head on the exhaust or something. Or get it all greasy. Next thing you know they will make us wear helmets like in Blue Thunder or in in the Apache and Comanche Army helicopters. Its not a bad idea but I think it needs to be more mechanic friendly. http://www.dclab.com/nomad_honda.asp __________________ ASE master certified Honda Technician Former USMC Sgt. 10 years Army National Guard Sgt. 2 years

08-13-2004, 01:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
jay Super Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Manassas, VA Posts: 11,116 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So if the system gets perfected, rolled out, and repair time is reduced 37-70%, will we see that reduction reflected in the mechanics labor guide? Not! We'll still be charged for 5.7 hours for a repair that actually takes 3 hours that can now be done in 1.9 hours. __________________ 2012 Toyota Highlander Hybrid Limited "When you get to the fork in the road, take it." --Yogi Berra

08-13-2004, 02:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
ramirami 'da Moderator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Arlington Hts., IL Posts: 7,969 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	...though the hourly rate would probably go up....since its "computerised" now __________________ ~~2003 Starlight Silver EXL_RES~~ 2005 Blue Audi A4 Cabriolet 3.0 2011 Black Audi Q5 2.0T

08-13-2004, 03:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
osteome Super Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Formerly of New Hampshire / Now in Germany Posts: 1,071 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You do have to keep mind the fact the the actual mechnaic gets only a fraction of the hourly rate charged (otherwise, I am in the wrong business). The rest goes into stealership "overhead". __________________ Hers: 2004 Stratosphere Mica / Stone Toyota Sienna XLE Limited with Navigation and Rear Seat Entertainment acquired when we traded our.... 2003 Sagebrush EX-L with lower trim, foglamps, all weather mats, cargo tray, separation net, rear flaps, XM Skyfi / Ipod via a Blitzsafe adaptor, HondaPilot.org sticker, wwong's dead pedal cover, console pads, and fog light lens tape His: 2002 Honda CRV EX in Mojave Mist over tan, 5 speed manual, OEM all weather mats and rear mud guards with Ipod via factory radio Soon to be ours: 2009 BMW M3 Convertible; Silverstone Metallic II / Bamboo leather, 6 speed manual, Premium, Cold Weather, Technology, and Premium Sound Packages, 19" Wheels, Ipod adaptor

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08-16-2004, 10:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
sfdude Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 9 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have worked in the auto repair business for several years in management. I can shed some light on labor rates: Labor rates were decades ago, exactly what they seem to be: how long it takes to perfrom a specific repair. Technology, has forced it to evolve. Several things now go into to determing a labor rate. It no longer represents(in general) actual repair times. It is a way to factor the "value" of a repair, based on: 1. The skill level of technician required to perform the repair. Highly skilled techs cost more, and their time is very valuable. 2. Some jobs require more than one technician to complete a repair. 3. Equipment: Many repairs and diagnostics today require highly specialized and insanely costly tools and equipment. Example: A simple brake pad replacement may take a tech 45 minutes, with a labor rate of one hour. An emissions repair may take one hour, yet be "valued" at 3 hours, when the master tech, and special equipment is calculated. The shops actual hourly rate really determines what you pay. And these rates are going no where but up, unfortunatley. The costs of operating a shop today is utterly mind boggling. Chad

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